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The Delaware Turnpike section has gotten a lot better since the reconstruction of the Route 1 interchange but it still sucks. I-495 in DE isn't too bad since so many folks split off like you said. I-95 gets bad before Chester, usually right before the DE/PA state line, then opens back up from I-476 to the airport. Then it is brake lights from the airport to Center City. The Newark to Center City drive is about 45 minutes in free flow traffic (which never happens) but 1.5 hours was common.

I'm not sure Akron would get more federal dollars. Most programs are allocated on a per capita basis. Say the Akron MSA gets $1 million from a certain program and the Cleveland MSA gets $3 million. The new combined MSA would get $4 million from that program. The total amount of money is the same. I can't think of any federal programs that scale up with metro size. I could be wrong though.

As an aside, I commuted from western New Castle County to Center City for awhile. That was hellish. Traffic around the Christiana Mall is heavy 24/7. And that was when they were rebuilding the Route 1 interchange. A complete and total nightmare. No way for anyone to live. I started taking the train, even though it took longer. A much more relaxing experience.

I think the inertia generated by the MSA combination and other factors has moved northern Delaware more into the Philly burbs culturally. I've lived in both Philly and northern Delaware. My experience is that people identify more and more as Philadelphians in DE. They're in the same MSA now. They are in the Philly media market (though you can get Baltimore channels too). There's a strong interstate highway and rail connection to Center City Philly. More and more folks from Philly have infiltrated Wilmington suburbs like Claymont and the 202 corridor. And most importantly maybe, northern Delawareans vote like Southeastern PA residents and have zero in common politically with folks in Lower Slower Delaware. Maybe that's a sign of what Akron's fate would be if they got swallowed into the Cleveland MSA.

Oh, gotcha. Morgantown is another spot with amazing Bluegrass. Maybe there's a college town connection. Although Huntington is a college town too, so who knows.

I think this is just your own personal experience. I went to OU and still spend a lot of time in Southeast Ohio and I can tell you that the Bluegrass scene is very big. I've never heard of Bobaflex or Clutch.

You're right. There are definitions and Akron and Cleveland don't meet the definition of a single metro. But NOACA would be lobbying for an exception to the rule.

FYI, that's not a given. When Wilmington, Delaware became a part of the Philly metro they kept their own MPO. So DVRPC covers the PA and NJ parts of the metro and WILMAPCO covers the DE and MD parts.

I used to visit NYC on a monthly basis. My ex lives on the Upper West Side. She was born in Greenwich Village. Her grandparents live on the Lower East Side. Her entire family has been there their entire lives. Her experience is typical of a LOT of people. The typical Greenwich Village, UWS, or UES resident has lived in Manhattan for decades. Your 90% turnover claim is just ridiculous and shows you have zero familiarity with the city. It's also right in line with all of your claims about the housing market. You keep making wild claims with zero actual facts to back them up.

Jason Williams is an idiot. I've listened to a few episodes of his podcast because they actually have decent guests and I thought I would give it a chance. But listening to him speak is like nails on a chalkboard. He stumbles over every word, has a hard time putting a string of thoughts together, and switches track mid-sentence. You can almost hear the gears slowwwwlllyyyyy turning inside his head as he tries to formulate a coherent thought.

Thanks for letting us know that you've never met anyone from New York.

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Last response from me, but again this is just ludicrous. Some of the most economically dynamic cities in the world have built a reputation around their traditions and heritage. London, Munich, Paris, Amsterdam. In the US, New Orleans (which you seem to think more highly of than Cincinnati), Philly, New York, Boston, Chicago! You mention Columbus. Do you think it is a coincidence that the most sought after parts of Columbus are also the parts with the most tradition and heritage? German Village, Victorian Village, Italian Village, Grandview, Olde Town East, etc. If anything, Cincinnati has shot itself in the foot by not valuing its heritage enough. If Cincinnatians valued their heritage, history, and tradition they wouldn't have leveled the West End to build I-75.

Think about this. You are saying Cincinnati's problems are unique to the country, the world even. So one cannot begin to understand the issue, because when asked for an example you can't give one. Very convenient. It is a problem that only you have figured out and everyone else is oblivious. Do you see how prima facie silly this is? No one here has denied that an "old guard" exists. What is being debated is their relation to the housing market and the motivations of their actions, as well as the influence they have over the larger economy of the region. You've provided zero evidence for any of your claims. You've shared several pieces of data that didn't show what you thought they did and when that is pointed out you move on to the next thing or accuse everyone of being blind Cincinnati boosters. LOL it seems that you've come into this conversation with your mind made up that everyone in Cincinnati is a provincial, backwoods, loyalist who shuns the outside world. In your mind, any disagreement with your theories just reinforces your worldview.

I live in Cincinnati. I have for almost three years. But I'm not from Cincinnati. People who know me know that I have PLENTY of criticism for Cincinnati and the way it is run. I like it here, but I'm no Cincinnati apologist. I've lived in better places, to be perfectly honest. Folks are pushing back against you because your arguments don't make any sense. It's not because of some weird loyalty to Cincinnati.

Same block of Williamson Pl in Northside in 2007 and 2020.

As has already been mentioned, 3CDC was formed by the business community. Bob Castellini has been on the board since the beginning. Carl Lindner was instrumental in its founding and was on the first board. How are we supposed to take you seriously if your ramblings can be so easily debunked? Maybe if you are repeatedly given evidence to the contrary you should rethink your views.

This is just stupid. The Joseph family owns a bunch of car dealerships and parking lots. They're not part of the elite. They're looked down upon by actual elites with actual power. And it's stupid to say that powerful, wealthy families don't exist everywhere. I've lived in a lot of places and I can assure you it is no different in other places. In DC, it is the Lerners, Rubensteins, and Snyders. In Philly, it is the Rosenthals, Roberts', Dorrances, and Perelmans. People in every city could come up with a similar list of powerful families. And in every place there are conspiracy theorists like you who believe the wealthy families are conspiring to hold the city back for their personal benefit.

Bob Castellini is on the board of 3CDC.

I'd also like to know what you'd have the "elite" do to sell the city? And while we're at it, who exactly are the "elite" anyway?

I was responding to a very specific point that you made. A claim that Cincinnati had the cheapest housing in the country of any metro its size. That's not only false, it isn't even close to being true. We have a similarly sized metro right here in the same state with cheaper housing. And I don't know where you're getting your information, but the Oklahoma City and Kansas City housing markets aren't struggling. Median sales price is not the only measure of a housing market. Hartford, CT has an extremely high median price. Real estate is expensive there because of its location in the middle of the Bos-Wash corridor. But the housing market is anything but healthy.

His thesis is really quite silly. Cincinnati has been working to loosen zoning restrictions and there's more zoning reform in the works right now. There's no evidence that Cincinnati "elites" have made it hard for outside investors.

LOL what a weird thing to be obsessed with. You said that real estate was cheaper than any metro its size in the country. I just gave you a list of metros between 1 million and 5 million that are cheaper, and there are several more that fit the bill. Your statement was a lie. Btw, Pittsburgh and St. Louis do not have "significantly higher populations." Cincinnati has 2.2 million people. Pittsburgh has 2.3 million. St. Louis has 2.8 million. And why did you jump on those particular comparisons but ignore Indianapolis, Cleveland, Kansas City, and Oklahoma City?

There's a lack of supply in just about every major metro, not just Cincinnati. So I'm not sure how your article proves anything, other than that there is lots of pent-up demand--which is a good problem to have. Also, the bolded part of your statement is hogwash. The median existing home price in Cincinnati is higher than in Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Memphis, Oklahoma City, Pittsburgh, or St. Louis--just to name a few. That's according to Kiplinger's latest data.

That's their methodology for population estimates, not projections. Two different things. Their estimates methodology is sound. As far as I can tell, they have not published their methodology for how they came up with the 1 million number for 2050. The state, on the other hand, publishes their full methodology. Also, MORPC's insight2050 report includes the following text: So here they are saying the 1 million number is for the 7-county metro region, not the 15-county group they cite elsewhere. Which is it? And directly below that language they show a chart, which seems to go with the text. But the chart has the actual state projections, which only show a half a million people added between 2010 and 2050, not 1 million. It's all very confusing. https://getinsight2050.org/the-report/scenario-drivers/growth/ And THEN, their long range plan suggests that they will add 540k in Franklin and Delaware Counties by 2050. This actually has their methodology spelled out in it and seems more reasonable than whatever method they used to arrive at the 1 million number. https://www.morpc.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2_RegionalTrends.pdf