DEPACincy

Last I'll comment so we can get back on topic here. I didn't mean to imply they are dying. I know they are growing. They have a great business. What I meant was that you're either growing or you're dying and they are clearly growing, so I reject the idea that they'd never consider opening a taproom downtown. Fifty West is opening a taproom in Chillicothe of all places. Moerlein opened one in the airport. A taproom is easy money, especially in places with tons of foot traffic. The folks are Madtree are smart and it wouldn't surprise me if at some point down the road they see how much money they could make from a downtown presence and decide to add a taproom there, or (to bring it back to the topic) at the newly renovated NOTL.

If you're not growing, you're dying.

I don't think this is true. I love Madtree's beer but I rarely go there. It's out of the way for me and there is nothing else around it I want to do/see. I go there once in a blue moon but it is a rarity and is usually because I'm already in the area. I never take visitors there because there is too much to see and do downtown to take time out of our day to go there. But if they had a taproom in OTR or Downtown I would go after work and I would take visitors there. The amount of business they get from me and my social circle would easily quadruple at a minimum.

No, I got your point and I agreed with it. I was just pointing out that NYC maybe wasn't the best example in this situation. And that's why I said, not to nitpick, because I fully recognize that it is tangential to your larger point.

Not to nitpick, but there are plenty of farms within 30 miles of Manhattan. https://goo.gl/maps/27UK8AVA6MMbJvZ59 https://goo.gl/maps/WAFrK7HzDKEddUt78 https://goo.gl/maps/XH1USWAVYxvF46y89 https://goo.gl/maps/hYGoP6U2WMBjhoJfA Go 50 miles out in some directions and you're completely surrounded by farm fields. Plus, just like in Cincinnati, lots of people in the city go to farmer's markets in their neighborhoods where farmers bring the produce to them. Counterpoint to myself: It is very hard for folks in the city who can't afford a car to get out to Indian Hill or Goshen or wherever and there is a benefit to having them be able to grow their own food. In the end, I see a place for urban community gardens, but I think we need density in our urban core more. Hopefully this will get relocated to a place nearby and we get a quality development. Win-win situation.

It was a pretty tame offense and her first. You can't remove the fact that she's black from the situation. The context matters, and we have a history of locking up black people for low level offenses that white people get slaps on the wrist for. I don't know if that is what is going on here but you can't deny that the optics fit a long history of unequal treatment.

I think saying the OTR community council are clowns is over the top. They clearly have their hearts in the right place on this. But, that being said, it seems reasonable to move this garden to another location to allow for infill on land that 3CDC owns. If I was allowing a community garden on my vacant lot and then decided I wanted to develop it should the government be able to stop me from doing that? That's a huge disincentive for allowing community gardens in the first place. 3CDC and the like will think twice when approached about a community garden if they know it means they will NEVER be allowed to develop the property again.

This isn't really true. The East End is notorious for being home to some of the most impoverished and violent native-born British populations. I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that the violent crime rate in London neighborhoods is not correlated to the number of immigrants.

The Upper Deck closes at 9pm on Sunday night. Yard House closes at 11. The Stretch closes at midnight. There are very, very few people left at the Banks bars at 2:30 am on a Sunday night. And despite this isolated incident, downtown Cincinnati and the Banks are overwhelmingly safe places to be. You can walk around downtown at night and be confident that you will not be a victim of a crime. This incident wasn't someone targeting strangers.

I know people who live out in Pike County who go to Eastgate to shop. I always thought it was funny that so many people in Brown, Highland, Adams, and Pike counties go to Eastgate Mall but people I know who live in Cincinnati have never even been to Eastgate. I grew up out in Adams County and when I talk to people in the city about where I'm from I usually say "way out east in the country past the suburbs" and their response is usually "oh like Eastgate?" I usually say "yea, kinda--but way farther."

Yea, it is 34 Green, not 37.

Sure they are different issues. But they both fall under good governance.

This is a very good point and one I have considered. And it is not just African American voters but urban dwellers in general that would lose political power. I think it is a very good argument against the idea, but I still think the potential positives outweigh the negatives. And I should also say I don't think a complete county/city merger is necessary to create positive results. If the inner ring suburbs were consolidated into Cincinnati I think that would make a noticeable difference. Make the wage tax lower for city residents than for non-city residents and offer the adjacent communities the chance to consolidate. See if any take you up on it. Probably not, but it would be smart.

I agree taxes wouldn't change much, but I'm not concerned about taxes. It's pretty well established that people/businesses don't make taxes a big part of their decision about where to locate. I'm more concerned with quality of services. Our dollars would stretch farther if we consolidated jurisdictions. And that goes for school districts too.

There is absolutely money to be saved. Economies of scale. A government that provided services to all of Hamilton County could do so much more efficiently than 50 different little governments covering different (sometimes tiny) areas. That was the whole impetus of the consolidations in Kentucky and Indiana.

Now that the parking restriction removal is permanent could we see the one-lane roundabout get revived? Or at the very least some bump outs and other traffic calming measures?

I know you were. And I'm sorry if it sounded like I was attacking you. It's just frustrating to me because I love Cbus. I think it is a great city. I love spending time there and I tell people about all the cool things going on there. I went to OU and we'd go up to Cbus sometimes and bop around and I have tons of friends from college who live there now and I visit often. But I feel like any time someone says something that could be interpreted as even slightly negative about Cbus here they get jumped on. Nobody said annexation was bad. I wish Cincinnati and Hamco would just consolidate completely. EDIT: Also, I'm not intending this to sound combative. Just pointing out a perspective. I know sometimes tone is hard to convey in text.

This gets annoying. Columbus is the fastest growing city and metro area in the state. It is the most diverse. It has the largest state university and is the seat of government. It has many booming and wonderful neighborhoods. It's got everything going for it. So why do Cbus people get so defensive about every little thing? It is 100% true that a lot of Cbus's growth in the city proper today is because they annexed a ton of undeveloped land over time. No one made a value judgement about that. I wish Cincinnati had annexed more land. It's dumb that the densely populated neighborhoods up the I-75 and I-71 corridors aren't part of the city.

I don't think that's what is being said at all. They are saying if growth happens in Mason or North Ridgeville those numbers don't count toward Cincy or Cleveland populations. But all the growth happening along 161 between 270 and New Albany counts toward Cbus's growth.

There are lots of places to buy toilet paper in just about every city I've ever been to.

It makes total logical sense. We wanted to buy in Downtown/OTR but couldn't afford the amount of space we wanted so we ended up in Northside. I've talked to people in Northside bars who bought in College Hill because they couldn't afford Northside. And so on and so forth. Every single millennial I know who has bought in the suburbs did so out of necessity, not because they wanted to be there. We also fully intend to have children and raise them in Northside.

That's fair. I mostly agree. Except for Tin Roof. It's basically on the same level as PBR, which I also have enjoyed from time to time. But 100% agree that we do not need a TGI Friday's or a Hard Rock Cafe. Unless the casino gets re-branded to Hard Rock, then they can put one in there.

Yea, I think West 6th is probably the most likely, if any. I personally always steer people who come from other states toward Jackie O's. Does Athens count as local? Is Platform local since they have a Cincy location now?

Reading Road and Glenway are the first two proposed to be implemented. That would be followed eventually by Hamilton Ave and Madison Road. https://reinventingmetro.com/index.php?page=bus-rapid-transit

This is only true for people in Covington though. People in Hamco will get a tax break on their earnings tax if they work in Cincy because no municipality has a higher income tax rate.