DEPACincy

That's kind of the whole point of it though. It goes to show that all of our infrastructure investment on the periphery of metro areas in the last 100 years has only served to depopulate central cities and disperse population. It's unsustainable.

So historians aren't really sure when Center City became widely used. It is used in newspapers in the early 20th Century, so at least 100 years ago. Some believe it goes all the way back to the Act of Consolidation which combined Philadelphia City (then only Center City) and Philadelphia County (the rest of the city). That was in 1854. So it's been awhile.

Fair point, but that's why I used the Census document which standardizes downtowns by just using distance from City Hall. It's not perfect but it makes things pretty comparable. And great use of jawn!

Ehhh, don't want to turn this into an argument about Philly, but I lived in Center City for years and still visit often so I know it well. It wasn't crowded around the clock 20 years ago sure, but now the density is astounding. And most of Center City is a filled rowhouses, but South Street is not primarily rowhouse or residential. It's a mixed use commercial street. Either way, I'm not sure why having rowhouses would negate its status as downtown. They're an incredibly dense housing type, more dense than typical American highrise neighborhoods which devote tons of space to parking garages. And the source I cited for it being the second most populous is the Census Bureau report about growth in downtowns and does include Mt. Adams and OTR in Cincinnati's "downtown" definition (plus a good chunk of Covington and Newport) and Greenwich Village (and the East Village) in Lower Manhattan's. Anyway, Philly is awesome and I'd be really happy if Cincy, Cbus, and Cleveland modeled their growth trajectories in their urban cores around what Philly has done.

A great point. Also includes a lot of the West End, which I believe has also lost public housing?

Have to rep for my favorite city and second home, Philly, here. Center City Philly is the second most populated downtown in the country behind NYC and the streets are crowded around the clock. Most people overlook it but visit and you'll see it is more vibrant than Chicago or LA.

Yea, when I lived in Philly everybody complained about how inadequate the system is despite having three subway/elevated lines, six trolley (streetcar) lines (five of which operate in a tunnel through downtown), an extensive bus system, 14 commuter rail lines, and 11 Amtrak routes--including 53 (!) trains each weekday between Philly and NYC. I didn't own a car the entire time I lived there and never had trouble getting around, but lifelong Philadelphians only saw the faults in the system.

Mama June is 40. She's a Gen Xer, not a Millennial. Not that your posts can be taken seriously anyway.

Taking the Link light rail from the airport to Capitol Hill in Seattle made me so jealous that we will likely never have anything like it in Cincinnati. I feel like we're 50 years behind the times and it's so depressing.

Would love to see this happen. I guess we'll have to wait until Cranley is gone.

Didn't see a thread for this building, but the building that housed the former McHahn's store at the corner of Seventh and Race is now undergoing interior demolition. It will become a TownePlace Suites by Marriott. It is catty corner to the Jeweler's Exchange building that is also being converted into a hotel. This is going to be a busy corner!

It's anecdotal, but I just don't see these millennials who can't cook or do basic things around the house. I'm a millennial. I had home ec and shop class. I cook at home, and every other millennial I know does to. I think we tend to overgeneralize too much with this stuff. Find a couple millennials who say cooking is hard and then say "SEE!"

I don't buy that either though. Salazar does way better in OTR than they would in any other neighborhood. They can move, but business will suffer. It would be penny wise and pound foolish, imo.

It is true though, that there seems to be a lot of open spaces during the day. Maybe we should consider selling daytime only passes that are good from, say, 7:00 am to 7:00 pm. Anyone with a Hamilton County address could get one. It wouldn't solve the problem completely but might help.

Got it. I understand the non-linear part, I just missed the part where it was 12 dB above the current situation. I thought the study was saying that the perceived audio in Music Hall would be 12dB. But say current background noise in Music Hall is about 25 dB. Adding in stadium noise, we have a max (occasionally heard) of 37dB. That's still quieter than a "quiet office" based on the other link provided. And that is only when a goal is scored, a few times a game, which will only potentially overlap with Music Hall performances a few times a year. Seems like much ado about nothing still.

Why doesn't it hold up? 12 is still less than 13. Am I missing something?

Last I checked it was on Plum and Court Streets. http://goldstarchilifest.com/

Funny enough, Sheeran played KC AND Omaha, but not Cincinnati.

And how many of those came to Cincinnati on their last tour? Sheeran played Cleveland, Columbus, Louisville, Indy, and Pittsburgh. No Cincinnati.

Yea definitely not a good example. The Spring Center is great. A beautiful arena in an area that has seen tons of development. We'd be thrilled to have the same thing where US Bank Arena currently stands.

I don't think this motion precludes your idea about the western side being closed. It says ALL traffic. Allows a lot of leeway using that wording. It also directs the administration to come up with a plan. Which is exactly what you're saying needs to happen. I think this is the beginning of the conversation, not the end.

There certainly needs to be a coordinated plan for traffic on game days but I don't see how closing Central Parkway would ever need to be a part of that plan.

I went to the original one in Seattle. Clearly, it is meant to be a tourist attraction and not a replacement for the corner coffee shop. It was pretty cool though. Worth going once. I had a whiskey and cold brew flight. I don't really like Starbucks but I enjoyed it.

I saw it at a presentation, so no I don't have it on hand. Maybe somebody else here does? But I imagine someone could compile a comparison pretty quickly by just looking at who is playing here compared to Cbus and Indy. Now, whether it warrants public investment (and how much) is a completely different conversation. We have a crappy arena and we get passed up for big events, that much is sure. Whether that's worth rectifying, I think, is an open question. I'd be comfortable with public money for demolition of the current arena and site preparation, as well as infrastructure surrounding it. Maybe even a new garage to replace the East Garage. I don't think we should be full-on paying for the thing.