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Not a Boomer but I disagree about them not being aware of freebies. Their parents were the WWII/Depression generation. Their grandparents made the difficult transitions into a modern society or were part of the massive immigrant wave into this country. I'm sure stories were told to them of how good they have it. I know my grandparents had fascinating stories of difficulty. Western Millennials, OTOH, haven't really had a difficult road. Non-first world Millennials are a very different story. This is the most-wrong post I've ever seen on Urban Ohio and that says a lot. Boomers, both those on the national stage and those I know personally, are always going on and on about how easy millennials have it (see your second paragraph) and how hard they had it. "I worked my way through college and bought a house at 22" is such a common refrain it's become a cultural meme. Boomers don't put a second thought to the fact that college costs have inflated to the moon, and the minimum wage is lower now than it was in the 1960s. At the same time, they've left us crumbling infrastructure, underfunded schools, a warming planet---the list goes on and on. Because of the actions of the Boomers, Millennials and Gen Z will have a far worse life than their parents and grandparents.

To my point about immigration: "Immigration was once a key part of that proud history: Back in 1910, nearly 13 percent of Ohio residents were foreign born. Today, the national average for foreign-born residents remains about the same, at 13.6 percent, but Ohio’s share has collapsed to 4.4 percent, fifth lowest in the U.S. And Ohio cities aren’t picking up the slack. Here’s how we rank in foreign-born population among America’s 40 largest metros: 31st (Columbus), 36th (Cleveland), and 38th (Cincinnati)." https://www.cincinnatimagazine.com/citywiseblog/make-ohio-great-again/

Yes, I understand it's happening in other places, it's just happening to a much larger extent in Columbus. I think we should encourage immigrants to come to our state assuming they will add value to our state. I'm not saying discriminate based on nationality or ethnicity, but rather target people who will be more likely to add value to our society and economy and encourage them to chose Ohio over other competing states. Sure, everyone is welcome here, but we should seek out the best rather than simply trying to add as many people as possible. Well Ohio has the largest share of college graduates among immigrants of any state, so I'd say we're already seeking out the best. But we are also in the bottom tier for total number of immigrants, so we need to up our numbers overall or we'll be facing large population declines very soon.

The Bhutanese population growth is taking place throughout the state. The Cincinnati community numbers over 12,000 and Akron has a large concentration as well. I don't know about Cleveland, but I would assume the story is the same. The state should be doing everything they can to attract more immigrants like this. We should let these folks know that, despite the national political scene, they are welcome in Ohio.

There is and you basically hit the nail on the head. It's the average density of Census tracts in which people live. So it removes water, undevelopable land, and places where zero people live. The Census Bureau did a report on it a few years ago I believe, but they only published the numbers for the top and bottom metros. I don't think anyone has done an analysis just looking at the urbanized areas. I also have never seen the Census Bureau's raw data from the report, which I'm sure includes all large metros. Daytime population is also a thing, which takes into account people who commute in minus those who commute out.

The fact that both cities benefited from their geographic location doesn't refute my point at all. It goes hand in hand. They were large, 19th Century cities that developed before the automobile was a factor. That's why their perceived density is higher. Without the hills or the weird shapes of the Cuyahoga and Ohio River valleys they would probably look a lot more like Philadelphia, with downtown street grids that extend uninterrupted in every direction. But yes, their location were huge benefits, that's the point. Agreed. That's why I'm not making that argument. I'm simply observing a fact about how they actually did develop. I didn't think that you were. I just wanted to clarify my position, since I have "cincy" in my user name and you have "cbus" in yours. I didn't want you to think that I was trying to say one was better than the other. These conversations tend to revert to that here.

I won't dispute this, but topography and land use are the primary reasons why this is the case. Cincinnati and Cleveland's suburbs extend further out because there is a lack of flat/appropriate land close in. When you have flat open land in any direction you can just develop it. You cannot claim that topography and land use are the primary reason unless you have empirical data to prove it. It's virtually impossible to know the true reason for differences in density numbers, so it's not productive to claim one factor is the main reason for variances. I think another "non-permanent" factor that influences population density today is vacancy rates. I don't have the numbers in front me right now, but I would imagine both Cleveland and Cincinnati have higher vacancy rates than Columbus does, especially closer to the urban core. Cincinnati and Cleveland are older cities, so absent topography and land use issues there is no credible reason to believe that they would not be denser than Columbus. All of the urban planning literature backs up that idea. It's not a value judgement, it's just the way cities in the US developed at different time periods. My guess is that, if things continue the way they are, in 20 years or so Columbus will be denser than Cincinnati and Cleveland in both actual density and perceived density for the vast majority of residents. This is not a contest for me, and I would like to see all three Ohio cities densify and grow substantially. These are just my observations as a professional in the field of urban planning who has studied the issue extensively. Also, without looking at the numbers, I doubt vacancy effects the top line number that much--though vacant land that once housed people probably have a noticeable effect.

Yeah, it's more of a conundrum for regions with big changes like Columbus. Estimates are notoriously prone to major corrections, so it's just problematic overall that there isn't any good data for 2018. My hypothesis is that we will see that the estimates this decade are much closer to reality than past estimates were proven to be. The Census has continued to refine and improve their methodology and the process has gotten a lot better. There will be misses but I'm comfortable with the 2018 data as a decent snapshot of reality.

I won't dispute this, but topography and land use are the primary reasons why this is the case. Cincinnati and Cleveland's suburbs extend further out because there is a lack of flat/appropriate land close in. When you have flat open land in any direction you can just develop it.

And Cincy/Cleveland have large areas devoted to industrial land uses. Population weighted density, or lived density, is the term we're concerned with. LA is actually denser than NYC at the metro level, but the lived density of most New Yorkers is much higher than that of most Angelenos.

Companies don't just use MSA though. They use urbanized area, demographics, household income, and a ton of other factors. It's really a minor thing.

If anything, using MSA numbers inflates EVERY city's size and influence because it includes completely rural areas. Urbanized Area populations are always smaller. Here's Ohio from the 2010 Census: Cleveland --- 1.78 million Cincinnati --- 1.62 million Columbus --- 1.37 million Dayton --- 724,091 Akron --- 569,499 Toledo --- 507,643 Youngstown --- 387,550 Canton --- 279,245

As of June 30th he had $1.35 million cash on hand for his federal campaign.

From Cincinnati.com: "The commission last week voted to investigate the spending. Pureval – after the poll was obtained by The Enquirer – pledged to remedy any issues if they're found, though his campaign insists it has followed all campaign finance rules. Driehaus said those issues must be determined by the Ohio Elections Commission. "I equally question all the spending by Chabot," Driehaus said. Among the issues Driehaus cited; Chabot's visits to 79 countries, which Driehaus called "junkets"; and $45,000 in bonus money Chabot paid staffers and his campaign manager out of federal tax dollars after Chabot lost election in 2008." https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/27/steve-driehaus-urges-voters-look-past-dirty-politics/1441671002/

Or lobby to keep the status quo. Which is what Akron does. You keep saying this but it isn't true. Congress would have to change the law. They can't just make an exception for Akron.

This isn't accurate. He said he doesn't think he did anything wrong, but if it is found that he did then he'll take the necessary steps to fix it.

My niece and nephew's only experience with Snoopy is Snoopy Land, but they LOVE it. I think adorable dog and cartoon kids work well with any generation. Though I do miss Hanna Barbera Land.

It's really fascinating as a 30 year old to look back at the history of Kings Island and how when it was developed they put so much effort into the different themed area, many of which connected with our local history, and to see how over time the themed areas were kept in name only. (As a kid I remember the fact that there were different themed areas but I didn't really get why.) As new rides were added, they were placed wherever there was room, even if it had no connection to the theme. I do think the park would be experiencing a different type of success now if the old themed areas were developed in a smarter way and more historic rides were kept. Especially now that stuff from the 80s and 90s is becoming "nostalgic" already. I think it's a shame that Oktoberfest has basically been consumed by Action Zone. Nothing about it feels Oktoberfest-y any more. On the other hand, I think Coney Mall could be returned to glory with just a few adjustments. I'm very happy with Rivertown still. Mystic Timbers was an appropriate addition and Diamondback is a juxtaposition, but a neat one.

Do we just accept that a parking garage has to be a part of any new development? By my count, there are already 8 parking garages within a block of this one, and they are rarely completely full.

This is the issue for me. What were they thinking to say it was for the county campaign? The first statement I saw from them said that it was for both races. The latest statement from Aftab is this: "After reviewing FEC guidance and regulations, we determined that to follow both the letter and spirit of the law, we needed to pay for the poll out of both accounts. If that turns out not to be the case, we will immediately remedy any issues." I'm biased, because not only do I agree with Aftab politically but I really like him, but this seems like a reasonably believable response. Rookie mistake and they should've been more forthcoming. I just hope it doesn't sink his campaign. Steve Chabot is very bad for Cincinnati.

I've seen a few Renacci ads here in Cincinnati, but not nearly as many as the others you mentioned. I've mostly seen them on FOX19 in the morning between 6:30 and 7:30 am.

It wouldn't be criminal unless they find evidence that he knowingly and willingly broke the law, you know, like Michael Cohen did at the behest of Donald Trump. And it would be a pretty far-fetched thing to believe that he did this knowingly. For what? To save $30,000? When he has out raised the incumbent by leaps and bounds? He had tons of money in his federal account when this occurred. There was literally no reason to possibly do this on purpose.

Not a hidden street, but I always felt the same about this lonely house in Camp Washington surrounded by the Crosley factory: https://tinyurl.com/ya6zqwsj It reminds me of the house from Eraserhead in which the family dinner scene takes place, next to that factory belching out steam. Fun fact: I used to live just south of the actual Eraserhood in Philly. When I first moved to Philly it was a dangerous place you didn't go. A few years ago I was in a rec volleyball league that played in a church gym just north of there. I would walk through in the early evening to get to games and, even though redevelopment has already started to take place, it was pretty eerie. On the way home I would run as fast as I could haha. Now, redevelopment has really taken hold and it's not a scary place to be at all. Maybe the same fate is coming for Camp Washington some day? https://billypenn.com/2015/08/04/eraserhood-callowhill-how-the-neighborhood-david-lynch-made-famous-is-changing-and-showing-its-roots/

My bad, I was thinking of ACS data. This is LODES. Still I think a hefty bit of those people are commuting between Cbus and CLE. Not every day, mind you. They might also be telecommuting. But for the most part this data has gotten better over the years. Though you rightly point out that it isn't perfect.

Plus we already have a statistical tool for what is being talked about here. It is called urbanized area, and it is different than MSA. MSAs are at the county level. Urbanized areas are better representations of how bit a city actually is.