RJohnson

MLS has higher attendance numbers than NBA and NHL so I don't know what you mean by not major league. https://www.statista.com/statistics/207458/per-game-attendance-of-major-us-sports-leagues/ there are certain people on this thread that implied that the MLS isn't a true major league team, i.e., that it won't help the city attract businesses, people, popularity. I was referring to those comments. I on the other hand, think the MLS is a great coup for the city. I want the FCC to build where they are building. I want the team to be a great success. I want the city to be vibrant and alive. I want the corner of Liberty and Central Parkway to develop and change. I am not the person who tells others what to think and say. Please have at it. Its not like any of these comments are going to change people with money. As far as paying $20 Mil for that concrete bunker, that is FCCs problem and none of Urban Ohio's concern. If you think this comment is too hyperbolic, i will attempt to tone my language down another notch. I will champion the cause for dull grey midwesterners to stay safe in their myth.

You're pretty bad at trolling. You're too obvious, so it's not getting anyone worked up. i consider who will be reading my posts. good copy is written for a sixth grade reading level.

on the contrary, I have suggested a number of improvements to many threads. Like tear down old useless buildings. And, build beautiful new ones. you seem to just like to argue. thats okay we all have opinions. you see this is how it works, you make a statement about what you think and then someone else gets to say what they think. what a concept. You seem to think that if i disagree with what you think, that is somehow useless. I just see you as uninformed.

i didn't say any of those things, but thanks for keeping all your comments negative. Lets make liberty a cow path again.

This is interesting. the MLS is not a true ML Sport. Last year In 2017, the average regular season home attendance of the Cincinnati Reds was 22,677. And this year 2018 the average FC Cincinnati attendance is over 25,000. and they play their matches on a rented field. If you don't want to live across the street from a soccer stadium, maybe you shouldn't purchase a home there. Buy yourself a home in westchester or loveland. Maybe the reason Cincinnati is not on the national scene is that it has stagnant growth. Atlanta, Tampa, Austin, Charlotte, Raleigh, and Phoneix are just a few of the places people are moving. AC, small amount of snow, short winters, long summers. In order to make cincy viable again, maybe you need to tear down a few old buildings and bring major leagues sports to town.

The FC Cincinnati is building a brand new stadium in town. Our city has three major league teams now. This enhances the market for people moving to the area, becoming Cincinnatians, and doing what people do. This babble about historic buildings is silly. If you wanted to keep the damnable buildings you should have bought them. Then hired a few old ladies to do historic building tours and speak like they were from the old country. I bet the tourists from Europe and Asia would flock to see a guided tour of an "OTR near" home built in 1855. i can hardly wait to be the first in line. Dick's has a sale on tents this week. Come, join me.

i think they sold it or will when FCC makes an offer

It wasn't a touchstone when the lutherans or baptists used that building. But, now a touchstone! And you know what else... before 1866 it was a native american sacred site for annual pow wows. and before that the hopewell group built beautiful architectural mounds on that spot and before that the adena built their sacred places right there in the westend. and before that who knows. probably something really important. But, it was enlighting. not only did the lutherans and baptists leave, even the jews left.I think there is something strange about this whole thing. Suddenly, a building becomes the temple mount west. A year ago, no one gave a crap.

et tu jj?

jj if you are talking to me and I know you are not, The Dennison should have been torn down. And the cost repair TD Fountain was $1.5 million, that for me would be a lot of money. don't know the price of the new steeples but probably more than 1.99. the gent who suggested he didn't like the cinderblock addition didn't suggest it be torn down. And, almost anything can be fixed, all you need is money. We went to the moon in 9 years because we poured money into the project no questions asked. we could build the entire FCC stadium site around that "you people" church. All over the world people worship futbol. We should make it the one and only entrance point to the stadium. that way the tired and huddled masses can drop a few coins in the plate when the architect wants payment. If Gaudi were alive he probably would have great ideas for a sacred arena. Or, keep the building and have Gehry throw one of his facades around it. Then continue that motif, that theme, to encompass the entire project. Just think of it. Historic OTR, the Frank Gehry sacred arena, then the oh so typical midwest redevelopment in the westend.

no they are like big red warehouses

I see the "church" like like a large red warehouse too.

20 years ago I was advocating for the gentrification of OTR. After the city tore down the Mertin Printing co. and other buildings in the area I suggested creating a permanent Octoberfest Park on the site where FCC will build. The idea was to create a place that all those street festivals that clog our streets could have an event area. The FCC area is already leveled. go take a look.

why didn't someone save the bridge at liberty and central park... now that would be something to keep. churches are like santas at christmas.... everybody has one. and mr. taestell, that was a bit of humor. if asphalt is historical then we are in big trouble. think of all the signage that would need to be put up. I have trouble believing that Liberty has the same significance as Abbey Lane.

So I looked up the history of that "historic church" on John Street. Lots of stuff about the evangelical or Emmanual lutheran church in just about every city except Cincy. so i added the address and cincinnati to the search. nada, zilch, nothing about that historical church. The lutherans left (we aint worshiping our god around no stinking poor people). And the Baptist are happy to sale. . So what we have is an old building that is in a rundown area. Surrounded by a recreated westend area and on the other side OTR is being reclaimed keeping some of its roots (building facades). What we have is an eyesore. Luckily for everyone, most of this blight will be torn down and a new major league team will bring the potential for economic growth, a beautiful new sports stadium, hotel, businesses, excitement and rejuvenation to this pitiful part of town. Sam Adams can building a wall or plant trees. Keep the BBQ joint for color. Oh, and as far as liberty goes. Keep it the way it is, people can learn to cross the street and drivers can learn to slow down if someone is in their way. Cincinnati doesn't need to control drivers by narrowing streets. Especially historical streets like Liberty.

the church is old. things change. the corner of liberty and Central Parkway is ugly in every sense of the word. the church can move. the tire store can move. Or the city can turn that corner back to a cobble stoned street. we can rename the area Amish Corner and remove all the electricity for 5 city blocks. then you can take your drone and video horse and buggys, herds of chickens, wheel rights and blacksmiths and water troughs. Sounds like a plan.

The District: I love it all. Build it and they will come.

You may be boggled and tired. Consider buying your favorite building then rehabbing it back to its glory days. That'll give you something to do besides complaining about someone's observations. Things change. Just down the street a fire happened on the church steeples. They are gone and then replaced. As much as I liked the old ones. I think the new ones are clever and beautiful and fun. I hope this doesn't offend you too much. Always nice when a new member with 24 posts decides it's ok to make obnoxious posts and insult long-time forum members. Perhaps RJ could learn to post constructively and not be so sensitive when others disagree. bm i appreciate all kinds of architecture. unfortunately, narrowminded people don't want to hear the truth. Please define "historic architecture'? i will be sure to correct you when to deviate from your definition and I will use your definition against you. if you dont consider the arches of McDonalds, neon signs and the drive thru service of historical significance then stand up. You will be able to see farther. If I'm not mistaken the name of this blog is Urban Ohio. McDonalds are in Ohio and in the cities of Ohio and that includes Cincy. So bugger off. i can appreciate your sensibilities. Maybe one day you may have that same response to a true double arched McDonalds. They tore down all of those and rebuilt atop those sacred spaces. I hear that they left the walk down basement stairs and preserved the golden arches as a shrine. pilgrims come from all over to light candles. Downstairs the shakes and fries are still 15 cents each. Ah, memories. If historic architecture is that meaningless to you then stay up in the northern burbs. They just opened Liberty Town Center, it sounds right up your alley

You may be boggled and tired. Consider buying your favorite building then rehabbing it back to its glory days. That'll give you something to do besides complaining about someone's observations. Things change. Just down the street a fire happened on the church steeples. They are gone and then replaced. As much as I liked the old ones. I think the new ones are clever and beautiful and fun. I hope this doesn't offend you too much. Always nice when a new member with 24 posts decides it's ok to make obnoxious posts and insult long-time forum members. Perhaps RJ could learn to post constructively and not be so sensitive when others disagree. bm

i can appreciate your sensibilities. Maybe one day you may have that same response to a true double arched McDonalds. They tore down all of those and rebuilt atop those sacred spaces. I hear that they left the walk down basement stairs and preserved the golden arches as a shrine. pilgrims come from all over to light candles. Downstairs the shakes and fries are still 15 cents each. Ah, memories.

You may be boggled and tired. Consider buying your favorite building then rehabbing it back to its glory days. That'll give you something to do besides complaining about someone's observations. Things change. Just down the street a fire happened on the church steeples. They are gone and then replaced. As much as I liked the old ones. I think the new ones are clever and beautiful and fun. I hope this doesn't offend you too much.

Chicago or St. Louis-type strips of row houses with rounded roof lines, walk-up style with basements, plus a strip of OTR-type row buildings survived until about 2003. Not only were historic buildings bulldozed, but the area lost individual ownership. So instead of a bunch of individual owners of individual businesses, aka "fine-grained urbanism", we have big-time ownership, professional management, and the national chains that come with it. Bor-ring. I am stunned that 10+ years after this disaster, people still defend it. U Square is hideous, period. Now people want more. You say hello and I say goodbye. Historic walkup basements (all four of them) and the photo someone else posted only shows that nothing was lost here. Camp Washington, Northside, in fact any number of neighborhoods have buildings that look like this. It wasn't a historic neighborhood. People didn't drive from St. Louis or Chicago to admire Cincy's architecture. OTR is probably historic, Union Terminal Historic, Tusculum area historic, The Taft Home historic, and maybe even the zoo could be considered historic. For me historic means something happened at this location. And we should remember it.

i think it was a Frank L Wright design.... they kept it quiet

there were buildings. Were they unique to cincy or anywhere. I have my doubts. Maybe a photo and explanation of their uniqueness might help.

i don't remember any "historically significant" buildings in the U Square area. gas station, mcdonalds, arby, triple decker place, drive thru auto wash. Like it or not that street could have been most anywhere in the usa