RJohnson

years ago there was a movie theater in Mt. Adams. it was small like this building. my vague memories say it looked like this building.

to misquote a famous Galilean, section 8 will always be with you, why not help them get a leg up. there is an old saying that states, give away your possessions and get it back 10 fold. today's treasure is tomorrow's trash. the least of us can walk through the eye of a needle. the most of us are like a dog with a stick trying to get through a door.

whats read it?

At a sports arena? they be ballers my dude.

Westend CP would be more of a tuxedoed/bejeweled chauffeured affair. "Pip Pip cherrio".

Yes. But I imagine events on West 4th would bring a similar crowd. western CP site would bring more people. heritage is more of a WWE/Roller Derby/3rd-tier ice hockey crowd. West 4th would be roided-up/puffy jacket/drunk crowd, and the Westend CP would be more of a tuxedoed/bejeweled chauffeured affair. "Pip Pip cherrio".

tv is dead, educational tv is deader.. put the arena on Westend CP

looks like a Star Wars storm trooper factory.

WCET has some shows that they create on-site, but mostly they broadcast videos I think. What size building would they need to replace what they need now? Would it be the size of let's say, The Shakespeare Theater? could it be part of the Emery Theater? A spot for a new WCET could be any number of buildings north of Liberty in OTR and the property there would be less expensive I think. A group is raising funds to bring back the Imperial Theater. Maybe WCET and The Imperial could get together and create a refurbished theater and a new annex CET next door. The church at 8th and Walnut is up for sale. I think people would not want to see it demolished. it has history, auditoriums, and size. It doesn't have a gigantic spire and wouldn't look too churchy.

well i can appreciate what you are saying. my point was that ODOT probably won't allow an arena to be built while construction is still underway. But maybe they will. who knows? anything is possible. it only took 10 years to get permission to build the apartment complex at Liberty and CP. and if Plum and Central are both blocked because of expansion west. Now, what are all the naysayers gonna say about losing another street? Remember all the complaints about losing Elm for the expansion moving east.

it won't and who says the ODOT will allow anyone to build on any of those properties until the bridge and accesses are completed.

maybe we are just reading different comments. few if any want it in KY, few want it at its current location, few want it at the casino, and I want it on central parkway. duh. he wants to make money. what a horrible person. berding wants $700 million in taxes? i think you miss read that. i don't think I said that. i think I said, narrowing CP and not correcting the dog-leg at Plum and CP will make traffic worse. if I didn't I'm saying it now.

well i did my best.

i could never win that race anus you already won.

did i say, immediately? i tried to write as clearly as I could. Berning wants a new arena near TLC. Queensqate seems to be part of Bridge Forward. Bridge Forward and the Banks/capped FWW are a grand dream much like the subway. the new bridge and its related rework of off and on ramps seem to be an area the CBD wants to annex. the Convention Center is not getting any larger. the city/county tore down a huge hotel and hasn't replaced it. so, as it stands there is no convention center hotel. Berning will build a hotel. He has already mentioned a second hotel with the second phase of TLC Village. my proposed location is 5 blocks away on Liberty. it's not a stone's throw but pretty damn close. The existing Museum Center and a new convention center next to my proposed new arena are three major attractions that will bring people to the area and will spur development in the Queensgate area. for some reason, Urban Ohio thinks having an arena beside the convention center is a plus. The streets under 75 already exist. why pay money to cap them? And, the rework of Central Parkway doesn't solve any traffic problems. it makes traffic worse. that dog-leg to the left on Central Parkway will not be corrected, Plum Street doesn't help the situation. but if you tear down the old convention center you get Plum back. Liberty doesn't get blocked if and when the old CC expands. Plus all that terra firma to build on again. open the bombay doors, Hal. it's cold out here.

first of all, there isn't a bridge or a final design. let's say 1/1/25 the final design drops. the bridge itself won't start for another year. then there are 3 or 4 years of construction just for the bridge. How long did it take to rework Hopple overpass? Then there are all the lanes from the Harrison viaduct to somewhere south of Covington that will need to be demolished and replaced. Including connections to FWW, the west side of town, Harrison viaduct, and the space-saving section that connects 75 to CBD. All that work will take 10 years. I propose that the 9 acres of saved space for the rework of 75 will be occupied by equipment, supplies, and dirt. it is going to be a staging area that will last until the final years of the overall project. Ohio DOT will not free up that land for 8 or 10 years. And, when it does it will sit vacant until the convention center expansion is planned. No one seems to like the idea of blocking streets. the convention center expansion will block Central Ave. Plum is blocked. Central Ave may be blocked, and if Paycor gets some of its expansion, it may affect the proposed Bridge and its connections. and, the lower bridge will need to be integrated, too. If for some reason Berding/Lindner doesn't get the state subsidy they will not build their WE project. If Central Parkway reduces the car lanes it will only stop others from investing in the area. the exit from 75 to 5th will be blocked north to TLC and the exit to 7th will be blocked south. Like it or not Central Parkway is a major downtown road. And, for some reason, people want it smaller. by keeping CP as is, as well as Liberty, Linn, and Ezzard Charles as is, it will be the cheapest most conservative way for CBD to expand into Queensgate. Bridge Forward is grand. but, there is money involved. Right now the easiest way to get to Queensgate is via the existing routes. and, of course, all three could be upgraded. If the proposed arena were built on Liberty, west of 75 maybe Berding/Lindner could be convinced to build there. same street just a few blocks away. sometimes you have to pull your big boy pants up. Maybe the answer is the New Convention Center and New Arena off of Liberty near the Museum Center and Post office. Two major centers could make it viable for others to invest in the Queensgate area.

someone told me years ago that "studies" are used to support whatever the client wants. I'm a dummy but glad to see that the current location is not on the list.

if the HBC arena is replaced and the BSB happens the Southgate Bridge will get more traffic for the next 6 years. the short block intersections plus the exit from second to Pete Rose Way will all be a mess. the intersection of Broadway and Third doesn't help traffic either. Good reasons not to replace but remove the HBC. What if WS decides to put a building at Broadway and Third? here is a link to the map. https://maps.app.goo.gl/nwQ8Wi3cLpgx6b4y8

i think it looks great and has good variation. the stramp, park areas, and investment are what Cincinnati needs to have great major league teams and shows in town. remember that corner just a few years back? Plus Findlay Market and surrounds. a few years back people were talking about north of Liberty. ta da.

well i'm glad you decided to write what you did and a little surprised. so take me off mute. I'm a pretty nice guy given the situation. I am pro-development, DEV. i want Berding Group, a group that has an interest in developing Cincy, to continue developing the FCC area. I am against keeping an old horse barn on Central Parkway just to convert it into a boutique hotel. Any site that's open to development on Central Parkway should be impressive and functional at the same time. It seems you have already decided what and how the FCC arena will look and function. that is why you hire architects. they have ideas. if you pay someone close to a billion dollars to put an arena on a dime, they should come up with a billion-dollar idea. i am not attacking you. i don't even know who you are. I'm stating my opinions. And, I make mistakes. and quite frankly there are a lot of bad ideas on this website. Grammarly continually corrects me. that just proves I'm not a bot. I have great ideas and my history proves it. i have bad ideas, too. have a good day.

did all of what? Is Central Parkway on the river? "The physical size for a modern arena necessitates that it would have to overshadow that block of the river". maybe I just misread what you said. maybe I wrote something strange. I did write a comment about not reconstructing the new arena on the lot it sits on now. because of location next to the bridge, the planned harbor, the horrible intersections and bustle of that area. Centre Pompidou was an example of putting the internal organs of the proposed FCC arena on the outside at CET. and someone else suggested tearing down the HBC and building highrises. that which sounds good to me.

Historic? There is Grammers, Worthmore on Central Parkway and probably many more old buildings that have cooling spaces for beer. not a loss. it's $300 million of development +

allotted space, traffic, and ease of access is why you hire architects. who knows the arena could be set on top of all the access and egress points. maybe terraces could be worked into the building where patrons could enjoy the both outdoor and indoor mingling. or all the annoying stuff could be like the Centre Pompidou.

every time these proposals come along there are always options and opinions. Location, how it affects the CBD, land availability, and interstate access. the list goes on. but one group wants it in the city, wants and is developing the city and they are a private group that may have the funds for 2/3rds of the money necessary. it is close to existing parking lots. it is close to the convention center and I hear available for a price. it will help OTR become more of a success, (look what happens on the day of a soccer match. think what would happen for concerts, competitive sports, etc. it is near the existing streetcar route. if more street cars are in the city's future it would probably make the cut for a route from the Museum Center to the Casino. the city then would have an east-west route. The three existing basketball arenas are in Kentucky, Norwood, and Corryville. all on college campuses for college kids. so the city needs an arena. almost 8 years ago the reconstruction of the HBC was proposed in a busy bustling part of town. It is beside a bridge, at the port of Cincinnati where there is a proposal to build more port for docking boats, mooring boats and launching boats. The harbor/port will attract big trucks towing vessels trying to get in and out of a highly congested, curvy, narrow mess of intersections. How does that sound for a lovely weekend cruise on the ohio. when I grew up I was taught you can't have two/three/four things occupy the same spot and the same time. maybe that has changed.

Charlotte from the photos has huge buildings but overall it looks ugly. seems there was no city planning. but i haven't been there in years. Giant Monoliths with ugly caps. Many people built on the mountains to get off-grid. in both N.C. and Tennessee they were devastated by Helene. had a buddy who built on one of the nearby mountains. he may have even paid for part of his drive. 2 1/2 miles up the side of a mountain. a rough and ruddy road (?), logging trail. I know many were washed out. Can't imagine them moving to Nashville.