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Yes, a lot of it does suck. I was just pointing out the part of the article / video that addresses business owner concerns. As the neighborhood redevelops there should be a healthy mix of new development and rehabbing where possible. Think of the schoefield downtown which was covered in crap and ruined.

Also signed, the 105,000 + day time workers, 17,000 CSU students, and our growing tourist population. E. 9th and Euclid is literally the perfect place for an urban format target. This was my first thought when I saw the plans. I really hope they consider pursuing target as a client. CBus OSU Target

Hopefully some retail can start popping up in these newer developments. When I go on vacations to places with waterfronts like this its usually a health mix of shops, restaurants, inns/small hotels, etc.I know it can't be compared, but I'm thinking of a place like Ocean City MD. Also, I know that the city was pushing for one, large unified boardwalk to connect all the way over to Settler's. Will that come to fruition?

Slightly valid concern for rising rent costs for business owners. Really would suck to see the place become generic, and lose long established business staples. There's still plenty of great historic structures, but they do need a lot of rehabbing.

It's an issue though that Cleveland isn't trying to retain these businesses at least somewhere within their city limits.

I agree, but [myself included] not everyone wants to rent. I was just saying that there are plenty of young professional who have well paying jobs here who would like to have amenity-rich apartment communities that you see in places like Chicago. A lot of people my age live in a place for a few years, and move on - not quite ready to settle down in one place.

These are literally exactly the same as the Lofts as Rosetta (where I live), haha. MRN is a great company, glad to see they've made so much progress in Cleveland.

We don't have too many amenity rich buildings that compete with those in the bigger cities. I think we're starting to get there, but this will have a wide net of people interested. I live in a pretty nice building downtown, but the rent is fairly inexpensive and there's not much to it. The Lumen, Beacon, etc. will all have things that are fairly new to the market I'm sure.

People need to stop throwing the word "gentrification" around to mean revitalization. Gentrification generally means [academically] the displacement of poor residents who get displaced as housing costs rise. Its the connotation it carries. Screaming that you want gentrification translates that you want the poor people to leave. Although one could argue it's really hard to revitalize any area without the displacement of those who can't afford rising house costs. But that's a different topic not needed for this thread/forum. Not here to start an argument or anything.

You WANT displacement of poor people. Ok.

Yeah I know Church + State and Market Square are replacing those. I wonder if Voss considered that option before looking into Berea? Also what would be incentive for Kowalski to move? I guess anything could happen for the right price. This whole stretch is really weak aesthetically with vacant spaces, car lots, and industrial spaces. I just don't think all the industrial space will be moved. Laird for the most part is an attractive building except for the half that is windowless. Are there any plans for the former gas station at W 45th - that's among the most unsightly spaces? I think that its going to take several more years before W. 25th fully connects to Gordon Square.

I love housing development as much as the next person on this forum, but the idealist urban planner in me would rather have complete neighborhoods that offer housing and employment options from the poorest to the richest. Our city still relies a lot of manufacturing jobs [although not to the extent it once did]. I guess, to me, its not always about the shiny new mixed-use buildings. I like projects like Church & State or Market Square because they're replacing a poor use (suburban style shopping center and a parking lots) with a much better use. I'm uneasy about the replacement of solid manufacturing jobs with housing. But I'm not surprised Voss is leaving, and the building could be really cool housing.

I don't really like this that much. Our city needs to retain and grow jobs. Not every inch of every popular neighborhood needs to be housing if it means losing neighborhood jobs. How many of those 267 live in the immediate area and rely on transit to get to work? They would have to then rely on taking the #22, #51, or Red Line to connect the #86 and spend over an hour of commute time, find another way, or get a new job. That's 267 built in customers for places like Cleveland Candle, Citizen Pie, Campbell's etc. I personally look for jobs as close to my job as possible, as do my peers and many other people do as well. My friends all live in Cleveland proper, but many have to commute to their jobs in the suburbs. Many of my friends say they would to get rid of their cars if they lived closer to their jobs, but that's not possible for many. A complete neighborhood should have diverse housing and employment options. I know that they're outgrowing their space, but we can't pray for every manufacturing job in Ohio City to leave to be replaced by housing. That's not sustainable.

There are plenty of places they could move to, but I don't think their buildings are super terrible. If they painted and did some exterior work, I think it could blend in with the neighborhood well. But yeah, that area has a lot of squat buildings that could be apartments/condos.

Thats a very valid proposal, to have the opportunity zones change as areas are brought up to a certain standard. I’d be okay if the opportunity zones downtown were specifically parking lots, haha. I just can’t see any part of of Ohio city needing tax credits. You have massive development happening from one side of the neighborhood to the next. Tremont has some weaker areas, but doesn’t really need it either. My concern for these tax credits is in areas neighboring “gentrified” neighborhoods. Rents are rising in Clark-Fulton and speculation is already happening there. I’ve worked with residents there who were priced out of living north of the freeway and the refugees. Metro West told me the average price of a 2 bed 1 bath has risen 150ish dollars in the past couple years. I just hope that the developments can have a mix of housing options, ie more projects like Aspen Place. LIHTC + Opp Zone

I'm really hoping that this "opportunity floodgate" will also result in opportunities being provided to those who need it the most. Quality housing and employment in these areas are needed for everyone. I'm on the fence about designating Downtown, Ohio City, Tremont, and University Circle as opportunity zones under the requirement of low-income? However, MidTown, Clark-Fulton, Glenville, North Collinwood, Forgotten Triangle, the industrial areas, etc. make more sense.

I'm really hoping someone can step up and replace the much missed electronic bull that went with Tequila Ranch. My day drinking days are less fun without it.

Looking great, will look better after the street is resurfaced.

^I’m glad that the space finally opened. It opened sooner than I thought it would. It and Rumors refresh are really nice. W. 6th needs some TLC. Velvet dog is so run down. I feel like W. 6th is going to start losing out on being the night life spot as other options keep popping up and it gets more run down.

Apparently parks are ruinous, desolate blights and cities should just be covered in buildings completely and utterly 100%. Many people on this form seem to be super anti greenspace, which is insane.

Many of the best designed cities counter the notion of not having expansive parks on their main streets. I don’t see the park not happening, so I think it’s more important to focus on the execution of it rather than hoping for buildings that aren’t going to happen.

I misspoke. I meant that it was a "flop" in the sense that its not in exactly the best location for access without a car. In a city with 22% of people without vehicle ownership that's one metric I use to measure success. Although there is decent transit access, the frequency of the #11, #16, and #81 can get dicey in off-peak hours. Also the #11 and #16 can get really caught up in train traffic. For something so centrally located, it's kind of walled off (surrounded by highways, industry, limited road access, etc.)- its a 36 estimated transit trip compared to 11 minute drive trip from my apartment. I think that the whole project was overall very successful in revitalizing the area, but equity is another important measure of success not to be overlooked. But that's all super off-topic. I just thought that some sort of pedestrian pathway from the general MetroHealth campus would be cool, but with all the highway interchanges and such I'm not sure if its possible. As the crow flies, Walmart is less than 1,000 feet from MetroHealth's campus.

From everything that I’ve seen and heard, is that they intend to have a green space to connect/anchor the neighborhood. This plus the Irishtown Bend Park-and other green projects-could take the W. 25th corridor to another level. We’re already seeing tons of development on the northern stretch, and it’s moving south. In the next 10 years the 3 mile stretch between Detroit and I-71 are going to drastically change with a slew of building projects and green projects. It’s going to be an entirely brand new corridor.

I'm not here for your pessimism, and the need for quality green space in our neighborhoods is a hill that I will die on. Pretty buildings are nothing without trees, quality green space, and other natural amenities. If MH can spend $1 billion on a new campus, a few hundred thousands for some amenities is nothing. Green space along the eastern half of W. 25th could be transformational and help spur redevelopment across the street. Metro West and Jasmin Santana really care about the area, and I'm sure they'll have a role in how this plays out.

I sent an email to [email protected] asking what the park will entail. They quickly emailed back: Hopefully the purported community engagement process will produce something of value for community members and potential development.