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^IMO, size is more a function of utility. Significance measures impact, which can cover the tangible to the ethereal, the shape of the object AND how that object shapes the perception of those who use it or are surrounded by it.

^ Twice? We've caught this bad boy on fire in 1868, 1883, 1887, 1912, 1922, 1936, 1941, 1948, 1952 and 1969 and maybe more. (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-06/cwru-msc061704.php) And my vote for iconic structure in Cleveland has to be the Rock Hall. The majority of the previous century was defined by the Terminal. While classic, the Rock takes a prominent location on the waterfront, experiments with drastically different shapes than most, if not all, other buildings in the city and most importantly, is married to Rock (and by extension, all popular modern music) which has served and probably will continue to serve as a major unifying ethos among the modern world. You can't stop the rock!

from Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Cleveland Rank ↓ Name ↓ Height in feet / m ↓ Floors ↓ 1 Key Tower 947 / 289 57 2 Terminal Tower 708 / 216 52 3 BP Building 658 / 201 45 4 Tower at Erieview 529 / 161 40 5 One Cleveland Center 450 / 137 31 6 Fifth Third Center 446 / 136 27 7 Federal Court House Tower 430 / 131 23 8 Justice Center Complex 420 / 128 26 9 Anthony J. Celebrezze Federal Building 419 / 128 31 10 National City Center 410 / 125 35 11 AT Tower 390 / 119 28 12 AT&T Huron Road Building 365 / 111 24 13 Rhodes Tower 363 / 111 20 14 Eaton Center 356 / 109 28 1983 15 Marriott at Key Center 320 / 98 28 1991 The average from the top 15 buildings downtown is 482ft. If this building is to hit that average at 21 floors, each floor would have to be 22.9ft.

I didn't know if this needed a new thread, since it covers many different projects or should be tacked on to another thred. Mods, please move around to where you see it fits best http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/06/range_of_retail_planned_for_do.html Range of retail planned for downtown Cleveland Posted by Michelle Jarboe June 01, 2008 02:48AM Categories: Economic development, Real estate, Retail In the downtown Cleveland of the future, you might start an afternoon on East 12th Street, chatting with the owner of a coffee shop while munching an organic muffin.

Yeah, I think I'm gonna leave the title "Worst Censorship in American History" to banning books or the media not being allowed to film caskets of dead soldiers returning home, but I get your point. That does massacre the song. Speaking of horrific censor jobs, my personal favorite has to be "Die Hard 2". Just ridiculous... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAVx8whgwng&hl=en

Please tell me that you're kidding! Groundbreaking sketch comedy show from Canada, produced by Lorne Michaels from SNL. Watch a few and maybe it will come back to you in a rush. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22kids+in+the+hall%22&search_type=

I'd kill for a decent Cuban spot. I agree the Lelolai Cuban is missing something. I think it is just the quality of the pork. Seems like you can taste the processing, but put anything on Caribbean bread and I'm still pretty happy. There used to be a store, Cuban Boy Sandwich & Deli, on Detroit and west 95th or so. I never had a bad experience and was both shocked and saddened by its departure some maybe four or five years ago. You could go in on a school day, midday, and sometimes have your sandwich order taken by a twelve year old kid, or as I liked to think of it, getting your Cuban sandwich made by a Cuban boy at "Cuban Boy"

from emporis.com http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/sk/st/tp/wo/ # Building City Height Height Floors Year 1. Taipei 101 Taipei 509 m 1,671 ft 101 2004 2. Shanghai World Financial .. Shanghai 492 m 1,614 ft 101 2008 3. Petronas Tower 1 Kuala Lumpur 452 m 1,483 ft 88 1998 4. Petronas Tower 2 Kuala Lumpur 452 m 1,483 ft 88 1998 5. Sears Tower Chicago 442 m 1,451 ft 108 1974 6. Jin Mao Tower Shanghai 421 m 1,380 ft 88 1999 7. Two International Finance..Hong Kong 415 m 1,362 ft 88 2003 8. CITIC Plaza Guangzhou 391 m 1,283 ft 80 1997 9. Shun Hing Square Shenzhen 384 m 1,260 ft 69 1996 10. Empire State Building New York City 381 m 1,250 ft 102 1931 11. Central Plaza Hong Kong 374 m 1,227 ft 78 1992 12. Bank of China Tower Hong Kong 367 m 1,205 ft 70 1990 13. Bank of America Tower New York City 366 m 1,200 ft 54 2008 14. Almas Tower Dubai 360 m 1,181 ft 74 2008 15. Emirates Office Tower Dubai 355 m 1,163 ft 54 2000 Altitude and number of floors, even in modern construction, are not synonymous. Of course, construction standards were much different in 1931 when the Empire State Building #10 made 102 stories equal 1250ft. However compare two buildings built in the same era. #13 Bank of America Tower (2008) 54 floors and 1200ft and #7 Two International Finance (2003) 88 floors and 1362ft. Granted one is in NYC and one Asia, but putting that aside, Bank of America averages 22.2 feet per floor while Two International Finance averages 15.47 feet per floor. I understand each building's construction will necessarily have different demands that will alter each buildings per floor height. I guess what I'm trying to say is that 21 floors might get you a lot more than you might think in terms of height. 466 feet by Bank of America standards, which would be taller than One Cleveland Center. Still, all a lot of conjecture...

I wrote the civic innovation lab for an update, but have yet to hear back about what's going on. I'm sure the baby has really changes around her life (how could it not?) ^Oompa, you might want to drop them a line yourself, as well as anyone else interested, just to let them know there are people out there with knowledge and motivation that might want to contribute to this project. BTW, congratulations on your new site. Looks like a promising start!

I checked out her website and her most recent entry is from April 2007. I hate to say I'm getting one of these great ideas rotting on the vine feelings. I'm gonna drop her a line, just to see what's become of it. If she no longer has the time available or interest (as people's lives take them different places), I wonder if some here would be interested in taking up her cause. Again, assuming it's kosher with the Civic Innovation Lab and all other concerned parties, and if there is any interest in helping. Maybe she's still out there and interested in doing it, but either way, I think it is still too good and to easy of an idea too just let slip away.

I just noticed the google banner ad at the bottom of the page is for Brook Hogan ringtones. So as we lament her families lack of moral compass, we can quickly link to and buy a ringtone to remind us of her and her screwball family. Internet marketing freaks me out sometimes.

For some reason, I am here trying to remember who had the quote about people on forums like a person at a party walking in, saying hello and then calling the hosts wife fat (or something like that) :-) On a completely unrelated note: welcome to UO Badge!

I think 21 stories could be acceptable (personally would prefer 30 better scale into the neighboring buildings). I never really liked the idea of a 1000 ft. building. I think it might help the city more quickly draw in additional builders to some of the area's MTS listed above for additional 15 to 30 story buildings. A goliath building with untold thousands of square feet ready to rent will draw any future downtown expansion/relocation. The need for Class A space not reach critical build-another-building mass for quite some time and this building renaissance that will occur in the next five to seven years will remain slightly more fragmented, through greatly improved. What cannot be accepted is a 21 story building on Public Square, after two decades of foreplay, being anything less exceptional. I fully realize this is only one rendering and no doubt will change greatly between now and the beginning of construction. And for a first rendering, it looks very clean and kinda cool. I hope it's intent is to serve as a placeholder, It, however, SHOULD NOT be used as a starting point or basis for further design. It is an any city design. I can even seeing it working in different locations downtown...NOT Public Square. Too important to rubber stamp any design review just because it constitutes construction. That being said, thank God this looks like something will actually happen! (cross fingers and toes)

I went to Boston five or six years ago with a friend and was able to stay pretty cheap at a vacant Boston College dorm over the summer. Maybe CSU has a similar program? It couldn't hurt to give them a call... http://www.fenntower.com

I am going to take a very naive and hopeful reading of this as to mean they are going to plan to build a larger parking structure with attached residential and/or retail space (because they want to help be a part of the development) as opposed to my initial, cynical reading, which sounded like "Hark! On the horizon! Cheap, easy, predictable income source that can leech off of near by development without having to do much of anything at all!" With that said, I can't wait to see a rendering of the stunning new multi-level parking/residential/office/retail facility that will be coming shortly! :-D

^Yeah, it took me a while to figure it out too. I was walking around and thought, "Wow, the Texas Rangers sure do have a lot of cowboy-hat wearing fans in NEO!" Then it hit me.

Don't be modest. They know a transit celebrity when they see one. :wink: Great shots on parts 1, 2, and 3! The city looks fantastic with those blue skies and the influx of people for the Kenny Chesney concert sparked some added energy downtown. I checked out their website and wasn't clear as to the hours. One section (kinda buried in the site) said 12pm - 5pm but it also indicated the site hasn't been updated since August of 2006. I'll drop them a line and ask. If they're open for business during the next Veterans Memorial Bridge and Subway Tour on July 5th, that would be awesome to do both in one day.

Like an exterior version of the one in Target at Cedar & Warrensville: Glad to see they're conscious of the issue now and not forced into shoe horning a solution in after the fact.

^Thanks! Mystery solved.

Does anyone know what in the world this curved mess is? I have no idea, but am hoping it's a go kart track or something.

Aboard the first Cleveland-to-Paris flight http://blog.cleveland.com/travel/2008/05/aboard_the_first_clevelandtopa.html] Posted by Susan Glaser May 23, 2008 16:57PM Categories: Business Impact, News impact Joshua Gunter/The Plain Deaelr The first passengers on Continental Airlines flight 134 celebrated the new nonstop route to France like any good Parisian would: with a chilled glass of bubbly.

^ I know DFAS had at one point been rumored to be moving to FEB, but I was never quite convinced the government would be willing to pay the extra money for brand new Class A office space, even though they will need to expand to more than the Celebreze Federal Building would allow. My guess is DFAS would expand into some of the nearby office space soon to be vacated by the likes of Ernst & Young, Baker Hostetler et al. in this period of major tenant lease reshuffling. Actually, with this glut of new projects (WHD, FEB, Jacobs...) I am actually more interested to see the second and third rounds of leases signed to fill the newly vacated spaces left by larger tenants. The speed at which this happens, IMO, is going to be the real indicator as to the viable scale of downtown office tenancy in the next 6 to 10 years.

Filling out the Warehouse District http://www.cleveland.com/pdgraphics/index.ssf/2008/05/filling_out_the_warehouse_dist.html by Joel Downey Thursday May 22, 2008, 10:02 PM Click on image to download PDF - http://blog.cleveland.com/pdgraphics/2008/05/23FGSTARK.pdf Developer Bob Stark has a new approach for his downtown development.

Hmm...I think I've seen these pods before. Ladies and gentlemen, please turn your volume to 11... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8JG6kgEP6c&hl=en

1st ferry to use Toledo marine terminal departs Friday The first ferry to use the new Toledo Maritime Terminal is scheduled to dock Friday morning for a chartered round trip to Put-in-Bay, Ohio. While most seats aboard the Jet Express high-speed catamaran will be awarded to contestants in promotions sponsored by local radio stations WVKS-FM and WIOT-FM, about 100 tickets will be available for sale to the general public for a $55 fare, said Tom Brady, a spokesman for Put-in-Bay Boat Line Co. The charter is scheduled to leave at 9:30 a.m. and return at 7:30 p.m., with a travel time of about 80 minutes each way, Mr. Brady said. MORE: http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20080526/NEWS11/805260342