Cleveland Trust

Airports influence is felt beyond the land it sits on. Go to any airport in he county and the land around it is not a hip cosmopolitan urban environment. Our airport is downtown. Sucks for us.

Bribes? Do you expect developers to bribe city hall? This is part of the problem. The internet is littered with proposals since Voinovich put in North Coast Harbor. Stark and Wolstein wanted to develop the lakefront together since high school.

Thanks. I agree with being patient, but citizens need to advocate for sound policy and do what they can to interupt nascent deals that serve a few before they get off the ground. At some point the bad ideas are impossible to stop. If we want a better Cleveland we need an open marketplace of ideas even if it gets nasty sometimes (no my intention). Maybe Burke is the best we can do and I am completely wrong. I am trying to find out. Thanks for the feedback everyone.

We need lakefront and riverfront investment. Absolutely. But why not give ourselves a grander vision for development like the Burnham Plan for the lakefront? Because of this obstacle tying everything up. Lol, I really don’t know too much at all so if I’m acting like a “know it all” it’s because I’m getting dogpiled by some other users here and I really care about this stuff, about The City. That’s it. Sorry to come across like a jerk. Not my style usually. Sorry everyone here. Nothing personal. Unfortunately, unless something changes fast we are stuck with Burke. I don’t know why some people are so set on it. It’s so backward to me.

Because the population loss in Chicago actually slowed down after Meigs Field closed (coincidence, I think) but investment is way up (2009 financial collapse excepted). They are restarting the magnet or at least slowing the loss. Maybe their present investment will not payoff because they closed down Meigs Field and don’t have a downtown airport and maybe Millennium Park will be a flop in 5 years. Maybe they should follow our example and put piles of crushed limestone on their waterfront and in Millennium Park as a way to stem the loss. We’ll see. I hear there’s talk of opening a downtown airport in Chicago. Wonder what they’ll do...

Oh. Wonder what they’ll do.

But not to North Haverbrook? Ogdenville? Cleveland? Notice that those cities you mention are all cosmopolitan. Do they have downtown airports to attract businesses?

BKL. They are gonna get this boomdoggle turned around. Put Cleveland on the map! link is upthread

That population trend started early 2000. You have an orphan statistic and false correlation in one post.

Check their website.

Shrinking Chicago 16 years after closing Meigs Field. Wow, what were they thinking!

They want a second runway which will secure Burke’s future.

Oh. How has investment been since then?

The steel mills might have been a serious economic magnet in the 1950’s. Should we just stick with he 1950’s growth strategy? Our future is steel?

No, we can’t compete for population and talent.

Yes. They are looking for a comeback. Chicago investment is staggering however.

Yes, all those steel workers came here because of convenient flights to Cincinnati. Lol Its a different world.

Look, I’m glad it’s easy for your wife can fly to Cincinnati. The problem is that these other cities are poised to grow and we are trying to compete with a lakefront that we can’t use. Look what they are planning around their waterfronts. They were in the same boat we were in and now we’re sinking and they have a vision of the future. We need airports, convention centers, sports ball events but we also need a magnet for people.

Airports access is necessary to compete but putting one downtown is suicide. Cleveland has potential. And yet we are shrinking.

If you said Jane Jacobs he’d say, “who?”

Oh. I fly from Hopkins.

You know why I like Chicago so much? They have an airport. I love spending time there. Too bad it’s not downtown tho.

One flight a day. One at night.

We are shrinking. Other cities have breweries and restaurants and conventions. It’s not working.

Wanna bet?