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LAKEWOOD/EDGEWATER PARK area is my suggestion....many people on here are very opinionated about their own neighborhoods....there are plenty of places in the"OC" area as well as Tremont...but if you are looking for good ole corner bars..Lakewood has TONS of them and there are plenty of places to go within walking distance there. Take some time, tour the area, then make decisions on what YOU find best. Good luck!

I heard Gary is pretty inexpensive....

And the real game will be the flag football game between CPD and CFD before the actual game. We are so gonna kick the cops ass in that one!!! :wink:

I agree...but at the same time the constant pitching changes drives me crazy! These guys are pros, they should be able to pitch to a lefty or a righty...and why, WHY (like the other night) when a pitcher is lights out, MUST the closer come in? Bentacourt had three up three down, but Borowski HAD to come in for the blown save! If it ain't broke, don't fix it when the pitchers are doing well.

I think it will be quite sometime before a Blvd will be in place...IMO....maybe this is the indication from ODOT as well

I know this is "URBAN" Ohio, but I have a few things to say about this topic. I work and live in Cleveland, I live in a nice area of Cleveland, even though I feel there are changes happening in the area I live in for the worse. I have lived in this area twice in the past ten years, the one move outside of this area was to South Hills. I love living in the city, I love the closeness of shopping, bars, the lake, etc etc. I WAS raised, however, just West of Brunswick in a small town called Valley City. I still have family there. I can definitely appreciate both environments and can understand why people live in either place. It is all a personal choice. I don't think everyone living out in that area are "rednecks" or hiding in some sort of bunker. Some people actually ENJOY country living and owning property...and heaven forbid saying this on this site...some people even like to live on a farm! I for one wish I had the money to have a country home, a city loft, and a cottage on the islands.....but until I hit the lotto, I can only afford what a civil servant makes. :) I can understand why some people make choices that they do....maybe because of schools, maybe because of land ownership, property taxes, maybe age or lifestyle changes, safety issues...who knows? I just don't find it proper for someone who loves city life, to chastise other people, who may not enjoy city life as much or who may want a change. Believe me, my thoughts on subjects, or the way I live MY life has changed from when I was in my early 20's to my later 30's. Yes, the article was a bit overboard about how "great" Brunswick is (Personally I think Medina is much nicer between the two), but lets not attack everyone out there as toothless, uneducated hillbillies. Every living scenario has it's pros and cons...instead of judging what is better for everyone else....make decisions on what is best for you as an individual..listen to what others have to say, and try to understand why people make the choices they do. Now let's all play nice on this board from here on out...thanks! :)

and AGAIN...Check out Ohio City, Tremont, Edgewater Park area, and Lakewood. These are more on the West side of the city but all WELL within a 30 min commute and there are bus and train options in these areas as well... Just curious...where are you coming from and when were you looking to come if you do?

I have a friend who works for Stark that told me two months ago that he just may be breaking ground a lot sooner than people believe. I am HOPING this will be the big announcement...but who knows.

Maybe while they are down there...they could install a subway system!

There are actually 5 in use, (21,24,26,36and 39 with the new addition) but I couldn't agree with you more! I HATE the "newer styles (whether they be 1947 or 87!). Off the top of my head I can think of 4 that are still around, one on Braodview sitting empty, one on W25th converted into an office, one on Scranton converted into a house, and one on Lorain near Dennison that was converted into a pizza shop. It is a shame the city didin't upgrade these and keep them in use. Some were on side streets and others were in disrepair, so I guess the city felt it easier to close these gems, consolidate stations together, put them on main streets, and build the newer crap that they did. UHG!!! What is really hard to gather from these pics is the very urban feel the neighborhoods around them have. In each pic most of the stations look as if they sit in the middle of nowhere, when in fact that is not the case. I think the historic stations had a better neighborhood feel and were, shall I say, woven into the fabric of the neighborhood they sat in! Hooray for "pgrogress"....

Not sure why...but the right side of all my pics were cut off!?!?! :wtf:

Okay people....this is my first photo post, so be easy on me! I am getting used to my camera and still a little unsure of what settings I should use to take pictures in different lighting...as you will see, I am definitely not a photographer! (but I am going to try). Since this is my profession, I figured why not start with what I know. Some pictures may be a little fuzzy/dark/and maybe not the best perspective...but like I said, I am new to this AND I did all these from the seat of my scooter! :) Here is a look at all the "active" firehouses in the City of Cleveland. I wish I would have had time to go around and snap a few photos of the "old" firehouses that have been converted for other uses. The older houses had so much more charm and character than the newer crap that was built to replace them. Notice the numbering of the station does not make sense due to the fact that many single engine houses were closed and combined with other stations to save money. Enjoy.... station #1 and headquarters (E17th/Superior) station #4 (W30th/Lorain) station #5 (E32nd/Lakeside) station #6 (E176th/harvard) station #7 (E37th/Woodland) station #9 (E67th/Woodland) station #10 (E105th/Chester) station #11 (Broadway near Fleet) station #13 (E49th/Broadway) station #17 (E66th/Chester) station #20 (W25th/Archwood) station #21 (Carter/Scranton) also houses the fire boat in rear on the river different view station #22 (E72nd/Superior) station #23 (W98th/Madison) station #24 (W44th/Clark) station #26 (E79th/Kinsman) station #28 (Commercial/Carnegie) station #30 (E102nd/St. Clair) station #31 (E152nd/St. Clair) station #33 (W117th/Linnet) station #36 (E131st/Bartlett) station #38 (Bellaire/Wanda) station #39 (W157th/Lorain) station #40 (E190th/St. Clair) station #41 (E116th/Parkview) station #42 (Pearl/Stickney) station #43 (Rocky River Dr/Fairville) Fire Training Academy (Lakeside next to St #5) Union office (Rocky River Dr/Albers) That's all for now...hopefully I will get some input on what I can do to make my pics a little better! :)

Okay..I am NOT a computer wiz...so in VERY plain English...what do I do...I want to post a thread with pics...I transfered the pic I want to "photobucket".....now how do I put them on UO? And I am assuming I cannot just snap pics, put them on my home computer and put them directly on UO? I know..I am an idiot, but please take me through this step by step.....thanks you

I guess I have only transfered flights there...so some of the issues are foreign to me. I am not a business person..and as far as first class...lol...I am the farthest thing from THAT!

So where is the starting place? This time I will ASK when I can't find you guys...

MTS..just a friendly debate...but I don't agree that the RTA operators speak clearly or concisely. I have had some really poor experiences on the Red line with operators sounding as if they had marbles in there mouthes when announcing the stops..very fast and jumbled. There have even been times that the operator didn't announce any stops the whole way to TC, either they were talking to a fellow employee through the cab or were just plain lazy. I was pissed, but OK because I am from here and knew where I was going....imagine a first time rider from out of town!?!?! I would love to see a Chicago style automated system...at the stop.."This is Triskett....next stop W.117th" in a clearly spoken voice (and maybe some heat lamps on the platforms as well) but that is just me...

I thought ATL was one of the easist big airports I have ever been in...not sure what the trouble is there.

Not to jump to the immediate defense, but the issue of merging fire and EMS is an issue that has been around for some time. This issue has been like trying to open a brick wall with your head, it just isn't working. I think our union leadership does a great job for us at the CFD. There are ALWAYS issues that have to be dealt with, and not all resolutions please the membership as a whole, but the usual outcome is for the betterment of the department. These past few months have been a little hectic for our leadership due to the fact our president (Boob Fisher) stepped down and a new president had to be elected. This caused a chain reaction because current officials ran for a higher office to replace one another. When all the dust settles, I am sure your requests will be honered. Believe me, they have been very busy dealing with other issues at the time that CAN be remedied. I suggest you ask for the Secretary (I could give you his name and number via personal email as long as you keep your source out of it!!!!) One of the biggest reasons that the union does NOT make this a priority is because we have been told since Jane's admin and during Jackson's admin that this merge will NEVER happen. Then unspoken reason that this will never happen is because of the diversity that EMS represents as apposed to Police and Fire. Fire is approx 23-26% black and has very few women. I am not sure about the numbers on Police. EMS however, has numbers that are closer to the makeup of the city population, therefore the city doesn't want that to go away. The reason that EMS can produce these numbers is because their employees are appointed, while Police and Fire have to take a written entrance exam, then if passed, the candidates have to take a job related physical exam...upon completion, you are ranked on an eligibility list based on your combined scores. I am against diversity in the ranks, as long as you can earn your score through hard work and determination. The physical aspect of the job doesn't discriminate when you are chasing a bad guy, or fighting a fire, so I believe that there should be no "allowances" due to sex. As long as you earn your spot on the list fair and square, I could give two shits less what's between your legs and what color you are. If my ass gets in the jackpot, I want WHOEVER there that can get me out of trouble when things turn to shit in a fire...plain and simple! The whole "lawsuit" issue can get very heated, opinionated, and messy...so I think thats why sometimes people just don't talk about it. If you are part of the lawsuit, you "want something for nothing", if you are against it you are automatically deemed "racist" or "sexist". Maybe this is one reason that the union avoids this issue...not sure? All I do know is, the city is willing to cut its nose off to spite its face to stop this from happening(merger). Is it because of the race issue? Is it because there are ex EMS officials that now hold higher ranking offices in city hall? Is it city hall "pride" that such a money saving idea could only be thought up by the city so no way could the IAFF come up with this plan? I would love to put you in contact with the right people KJP. This is an issue that has been skirted by the TV media and our wonderful PD. Yes, the PD has touched on it, but never has shown any hard facts or figures as to the extent of the money savings as well has the ability to do two jobs more efficiently with less people.

How many members does Cincinnati have? I am sure not as many as Cleveland (21)...that is most likely why Cincy is able to get things done better than Cleveland...IMO

^ That wasn't directed at you...nor anyone in general...just making fun of myself and Cleveland in general....not that I don't like Cleveland..I LOVE it...but damn I wish we had YOUR skyline!

Great pics! I have to agree, leave the bashing out of THIS thread....that is what you have us Clevelanders for on UO!! :wink:

Well...MTS, you whippersnapper.....here goes... I am only speaking on safety services, and how they are run. I will try to be as unbiased as I can about this. I believe the city made a big mistake by having police, fire, and EMS dispatch centers all in one building on one floor. It may seem to make sense to the average person, but after 9/11, things changed. National standards advise against this practice because if a terrorist action wanted to completely disrupt the whole city of Cleveland's safety services, it could be done in one shot by taking out that center. Okay, with that said, I realize the article states that the city could save money by civilianizing the dispatch center but I think that is a mistake as well. It would save money, but I believe that the people behind the radio (for each service) needs to have true street knowledge of what is going on at the other end. There is a new CAD (computer aided dispatch) system in place now, but unfortunately it was outdated before it was even purchased (typical of the city to save a buck). Many times what the computer deems the "proper" units to be dispatched to an incident (speaking from fire/EMS standpoint) are NOT the proper units. Luckily, when some of the dispatchers that have spent time on the streets see this, they THINK to change the assignment. Unfortunately the civilian dispatchers aren't aware of the mistakes, and follow the assignments as posted. This can sometimes cause GREAT delays for people in need. Example: The head on collision by the drunk driver not too long ago on I-71. The CAD sent station 42 from Pearl and Biddoulph...instead of the station (which the 42's passed en route) which was right at the entrance to the freeway and only 2 minutes away from the incident (station 20). On top of that, the computer did not send a CFD heavy rescue to the scene on the initial call. Heavy rescues carry the proper equipment for special rescues and extrication. The man in that car was DOA, but the point is, what if he was not..what if those precious minutes would have made the difference? On to the next issue. Recently EMS has tried to save money by changing the work shifts from 12 hour shifts to 8 hour shift, claiming that the city will save $500k by doing so. Hearing from friends at EMS, they have told me all this has done was make morale even lower and has actually caused more OT than before. Where is the savings? The biggest savings the city could see would be a merger of Fire and EMS. Many EMS workers in the past have cringed at the idea because they have been told they would lose their jobs. This is simply NOT true. The only jobs that would be lost would be through attrition, but in doing so, it would make the service more streamlined, efficient, and cost effective. Currently CFD has roughly 905 members total from Chief on down, EMS has roughly 350. CFD has roughly 150 paramedics, with the rest of the members being EMT basics. EMS is composed of mostly paramedics with the rest being EMT basics. The fire department responds to many medical calls as a "first responder" to provide basic care until an ambulance arrives. Many times a CFD heavy rescue is sent on medical calls because they have the capability to transport and are staffed by cross trained firefighter that are paramedics as well (me being one of them). There are many times that an EMS ambulance is sent as well as a heavy rescue. My question is why? This seems to be a duplication of service and a waste of money. You are in essence sending two paramedic units to one call, when there could possibly be another emergency that could have a delayed response because two units are tied up on the same run. Another cost saving measure that could be taken would be the vehicles that the city chooses to buy for EMS. Currently the city uses a type-III heavy duty extended cab chassis ambulance. This vehicle is cost ineffective, has maneuverability issues, and is overkill for a unit staffed by two people that carry only medical equipment. There are three classes of ambulances...type-I (pickup style cab with box on the back) type-II (van style ambulance) and type-III (which can have either a van style cab, heavy duty cab, or in Cleveland's case a heavy duty extended cab with box on the back). MANY major cities, with the same weather conditions, use either the typeI, II, or III with the van chassis. These are anywhere to 2/3 to 1/2 the cost per vehicle, just as effective, and easier to work on. I know this because I was in the fire service before being employed by Cleveland and have been involved with specifications of purchasing emergency vehicles. You take the savings of one ambulance then multiply it by an entire fleet, the savings is substantial. Finally, the idea of a merger. The CFD has proposed a plan to merge EMS/into the fire department, only to be shot down everytime. The plan (in a nutshell) would call for a merger of personell AND bosses with no loss of employment, only a restructure of the service. Job reduction would come with attrition. Current EMS employees would remain paramedics and work 12 hour shifts. They would also be offered to be cross trained as firefighters with preference when more firefighter hirings would be needed. Those who do not want to be firefighters, could remain medic only status. The firefighters who are already paramedics would also staff ambulance units for half of the 24 hour shift and staff a fire unit the other 12. This would save on overtime and you would get double duty from a single service. As people retire or leave the job, new hires would be required to be firefighter/paramedics. *Currently the paramedics on CFD have voluntarily become so, not a requirement* Through time, you would need less people to do two jobs. Which in turn means less higher ranking officers (which make more pay). Basically now with two services, we have too many chiefs for the Indians!! The merged service seems to work well in Columbus, Cincinnati, Seattle, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago, NYC, D.C....the list goes on. Why is it that Cleveland won't do it, even though studies have PROVEN it is cost effective and a more reliable service? CFD has even offered to start "paramedic pumpers" ...meaning having every fire truck staffed with a paramedic so they could offer the citizens a higher level (IV's, medication, advanced airway procedures, etc) of care until an ambulance arrives for transport, but the city denied that request. Every minute that advanced life support is delayed in an emergency can be detrimental, so why would the city not strive to make things better for a lower cost? I am in NO WAY bashing EMS medics, I think there are fine medics that work there. I AM bashing the city for not moving into the 21st century when it comes to safety, care, and cost effective services for the tax payers and residents. I AM asking what the agenda is behind all of this. Is it somehow our city officials seem to know more than all of the aforementioned cites? Is it political? Are there personal agendas? I really don't think these reasons should be put above qualityservices for the tax payers and residents of Cleveland. How can one expect Cleveland to regionalize when it can't even do it within it's own borders? Ok, enough of my boring rant!! lol I know I don't contribute much to this board, but this is one topic I am more than happy to chime in on because I know about it first hand. If there are any question..please feel free to ask. :)

So they finally filled the missle silos in??? :)

^ That article is a complete joke.....I wish some of the real truths were told, but they never are when covered by the media. I work in the field and I SEE what goes on everytime I put the uniform on...the city wastes a TON of money but won't remedy it for pure political reasons. What a shame.....

plus the chance at a good urban experience (IMO)...