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Anyone want to try a rendering from this angle? (I'll get a blue skies pic when they come back haha)

Just some exterior pics of the rear of the building.

It seems the new thing with professional sports owners is building up and retaining rights to the surrounding area around the venues. The first thing that comes to mind is/are the Pegula's in Buffalo (they own the Bills and Sabres), who built Harborcenter next to the Sabres' arena, and it has a rink, restaurant, hotel, TimmyHo's and all that jazz. Additionally, they've bought a lot of the surrounding property and have built that up as well. I know the land down by First Energy is a bit more complex than that, but if it provides an additional revenue stream to the Haslam's I can see why they'd be intrigued to stick around.

It seems like the CDC is really starting to focus on the Pearl/Broadview section and surrounding streets/spokes (Broadview/State/Pearl) instead of spreading thin throughout the neighborhood. For instance Pedal for Prizes is moving from the Estabrook Rec. Center and the farmers market is moving from Loew Park, both to the Pearl Road Methodist Church, and it seems like they're overall focusing more on the 'downtown' area. I mapped property values around the neighborhood a couple years ago, and again just recently and it's shocking how much they've gone up in just a few years, yet are still relatively low (and despite saying that, as an OB renter please let me buy a house before y'all development minded folks price me out :P!).

Part of the problem is people coming from 490/71 and cutting across 71 to get onto the Jennings versus staying on the Jennings offramp, I don't know why people do this aside from being distracted while driving. This is going to come off as pretentious, but after living in Pittsburgh and merging 5x on a daily commute (in less space than the 71-Steelyard merge in a lot of instances), folks need a lesson in merging here - a little friendliness goes a long way (a la 71-176-Steelyard merge/exit sequence). If someone's trying to break in, let them in (and don't merge in until the zipper pushes you into the lane...). Rant aside, I think this is a huge waste of money that could be allocated in other, more pressing, areas.

Also does anyone know the timeline for the digital information boards I'm not exactly sure where that was originally posted...

...since this thread is active, ever walk around and notice how many different types of streetlights there are around downtown streets? I swear, you can see 4 different types (at least!) on one street, I'm sure it's low on the overall needs list, but some parity would be nice! /endrant

Chairlift! Imagine how fun that would be in the winter. This should be a priority though, Aldi moved down the hill leaving that neck of the woods with little for fresh, healthy groceries aside from convenient stores (and Save A Lot on Clark). Even dedicated bus service would be helpful a la Daves and Asiatown. I live in Old Brooklyn, and, despite it being a stones throw away, Steelyard is daunting in anything outside of a car (Towpath Extension should help, but only by a bit in this specific regard).

Additionally, if I'm not mistaken, a group bought the lots across the street for doctors offices (I think I remember reading it here a while back). That'll help bring some density here. There's tons of storefronts around here that are either unused or underused (I'm talking cell phone stores...), that could, in a perfect world, evolve to fit the new space created by this redesign..

From an street side/historical perspective, I'm glad they kept the etched 'M' glass, but as an apartment dweller, that'd be pretty terrible (and dark, especially in the grey winter hah).

I'm all about boosting the city but it's not like Cleveland lives in a bubble, despite the city leadership acting like it-we rise and fall as a region. We need to grow as a region, city, suburbs, and everywhere in between. Tax breaks to move jobs throughout the county should be illegal as should other schemes to just shuffle jobs. I hope the Jacobs property being developed is a catalyst to bring more jobs here and sell our region as a whole.

This is too awesome to be true, hopefully some folks at the design review board read this forum and reflect the will of UrbanOhio lol and I wonder if the parking deck will be solid enough for future construction (maybe the text of the doc actually mentions this or someone has some insight).

The area you're showing isn't really 'downtown', look how dense the city core is. Smallman St. and the produce terminal is getting redeveloped (as well as development plans in the works for those lots on the river), and the Penguins Ownership Group has to develop that empty land where the igloo once was on a specific timeframe (of which I don't remember). The North Shore is also losing lots and building up (but still has a ways to go). I don't know what makes Pittsburgh feel much more dense than Cleveland but reasons I've come up with so far is lack of surface lots (huge), and narrower streets. Look around the city center (and neighboring shorelines) and you won't find a Jacobs Lot type situation- the city/private interest is actively developing these sites. Edit: Looks like the Penguins group may have something in the mix for the area between Centre Ave and 579... https://www.wesa.fm/post/overhauled-plan-redevelop-lower-hill-promises-housing-construction-fall they've had the rights for ten years

hmm...Villa?

The Downtowner had a good take on parking in the Jacob's lot, and Warehouse district overall and frankly, there's little incentive to make these anything but parking. I'm all about taxing the crap out of these lots and maybe we'll be subjected to less speculative buying and holding of lots and more concrete investors with actual plans. Sure, costs may be passed onto consumers, but there's no reason parking should be cheaper than an RTA/transit pass.

Thought they key tower reflection was pretty cool (on top of new windows!), also, the building hasn't suddenly become curved hah

Moreno can put in his gondola/tramway idea here lol

If you know the volume and page, you can always post them and folks can look them up on the County Fiscal Officer site.

Funny you say that, NYT today has a frontpage article on HY and their crazy tax breaks in lieu of the Amazon deal (don't mean to derail this thread Haha). If anything then article highlights how it's been 20 some years in the making. Amazon’s Tax Breaks and Incentives Were Big. Hudson Yards’ Are Bigger.

I think most of the renderings show it around dusk/night (going from mental memory here lol) it'll really 'pop' at night. It does kind of act as a mirror at the moment maybe a building shadow of nucleus would fix this ??

Love me some city density/building angle shots (if they weren't cell phone pics I probably would have gotten some better angles, but oh well haha)..and a Dike 14 shot (removed)

What a bummer. Looks like Famicos Fdn. bought this for 55k in 2017, I wonder if they have any plans for the lot other than (as my friend puts it) storage container townhouses. As a YP (with student loan debt and all that jazz) who's looking to buy a double at some point in the future and has an eye for historic architecture I wish the city gave some incentives to keep beautiful (but renovation necessary) structures up and affordable. Clicking around streetview on this, it looks like it began to slide around 2014 or so, 2009 shows it looking pretty solid.

It's more and more apparent how much of a void this building fills from nearly every angle...