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Phew, lol.

The NIMBY's in OHC are something. The fact a small, tiny but vocal group can kill projects is astounding. These are about the midway:

Any idea the timeframe for the crane? Looking at their project timeline 'Enclosure Construction' seems to run into mid/late 2024, but not sure the crane would be necessary all of it?

Interesting, do you know when this came about? Really appreciate the city pushing block club/individual comment to the CDC's - they're the most equipped to dig through comments and find common threads (and judge if it's a small subset of people or their area as a whole). Mods, feel free to move this wherever - I don't mean to derail the thread.

I'll snap a pic one of these days. It doesn't look that different from the outside, but when I rode by the other day a person was on scaffolding on the outside, so that's a good sign I'd say.

I think the disappointment (mine included) revolves around all the hype behind this. I'm sure the show will be great, but it's far from asserting ourselves as the home of rock and roll. The manufactured hype would be different if it were 1992.

Don't worry a $1.5-2B dome will certainly get us better acts! lol

All the hype for...this, don't worry a $2B domed stadium will definitely get us better tours, yep.

Those views are for executives only!

FWIW Sun Country also does a lot of sports charters (MLS, but mostly college), I know it doesn't have much to do with CLE, but I wonder if having a plane or two in Cleveland helps with that business at all.

You're going to put @Geowizicalout of a job!!

lol of course there's opposition to this. With the timeframe of these things it's not like most of these ppl will even be alive to see it. Superior Midway will be over 10 years of discussion planning before breaking ground next year (optimistic anticipated completion 2027). I know the Lorain project is pretty much unfunded too, so the chances of any quick action is slim.

The forum pays too well, though.

How many of these events use the full stadium, though? There are plenty of events at the current browns stadium, but they're tiny, much like I'm sure a lot of these "200 events per year" are. For instance here's some of the spaces that Lucas Stadium markets (https://www.lucasoilstadium.com/host-an-event/event-space-locations/), compare that to the Browns: https://clevelandbrownsstadium.com/host-an-event/ and unless you're using the field, they're relatively the same. Also, unlike Ohio with 3+ convention centers vying for events, Indianapolis' is branded Indiana Convention Center & Lucas Oil Stadium, aka massive investment and commitments from the state which, frankly I doubt we'll get. RE:concerts - we're sandwiched between Detroit, Pittsburgh, and (a stretch, but also) Toronto, three powerhouses for major tours (with more favorable economics/disposable income than NEO - aka TSwift didn't avoid Cleveland because of our stadium...). Also worth considering: major promoters/tours won't allow an artist to play within x miles/hours from a previous date, it's something to keep in mind with Detroit pretty much next door. We're already redoing/expanding the Medical Mart to Convention Center space and (it's not great), but still have the IX Center, do you really think a handful of events are worth $300-500M from already struggling Cleveland and Cuyahoga residents? It'd be different if it was a massive investment from the state, but we live in Ohio.

This. From the new bills stadium wiki page- an interesting turn, the stadium will be owned by the state and not the county. Imagine how different these talks would be if the state ponied up instead of the city/county. From Wiki: New York State will contribute $600 million in funding with Erie County contributing $250 million, the Bills contributing $350 million, and the National Football League via a G-4 loan $200 million. In addition the Bills signed a 30-year lease, with a buyout option after 15 years.[30] The stadium would be owned by New York State, a change from the current stadium which is owned by Erie County. Of that $600 million funding, $418 million will come from funds seized from the Seneca Nation of New York for funds overdue as part of the compact to operate the Seneca Niagara Casino, Seneca Allegany Casino and Seneca Buffalo Creek Casino.[31] The state will also contribute $100 million over a 15-year period for maintenance and $6 million per year over the course of the lease for capital improvements, both figures to be adjusted for inflation according to the Consumer Price Index.[31] It'd be a different world if Ohio picked up the majority of the bill instead of cash strapped Cleveland/Cuyahoga.

Haha it is! I'll see if I can find a pic of them.

Had exposure to some of the coolest glass block in my childhood...here's the ice rink SUNY Fredonia

Our wide streets don't help much, but I love the cavernous feelings of dense downtowns. I know I bring up Pittsburgh a lot in here, but it's really cool to feel like you're in an urban canyon when you're cutting through the streets in their golden triangle. More density and infill gets us that much closer, the midway schrunching down Superior should also help w/that feeling, too.

Not totally related, but I'd recommend using the county's GIS to measure out that stuff. It's not perfect, but at least you're measuring against the most recent imagery (and in the case of 2023 Fall - the Lady Caroline across the river).

Paging @Geowizical lol Awesome scoop!

This. If we never ask for anything better then we'll be stuck with what we have forever. It's worth raising a stink regardless of Lindy's/1330/Collison Bend, unfortunately Mr. George has the legal resources to really make it painful for the city. If the administration cares about waterfront access then they'll at least push for something. Shoot, look at how landmarks essentially killed Bridgeworks over maintaining a view of a church steeple - riverfront access is much more important (on both sides of the river!). Look at Pittsburgh and their embrace of their riverfront(s) - there are multiple trails on each that coexist with new developments.

Once again, nobody is forcing you to fly spirit/frontier/allegiant, I don't mind it if it means I'm saving (in some cases) $200+. You need to plan if you're going to take Spirit- buy a checked bag and weigh it beforehand, make sure your carry-on will fit below the seat (or you'll pay a ton at the gate) etc., etc., I'd argue that the legacy carriers charging for basic things is more egregious when you're already paying a ton of money (comparatively) to fly them. Every time I've flown Spirit/Frontier it's been fine, oh, and their fleets are the newest in the industry FWIW.