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I think good company would be the best bet.... Some of those other spaces are quite large. Put an exspresso machine and a barista in there in the morning...

The coffee shop is at 65th and detroit. Gypsy bean. there is also a juice bar and a doughnut shop on the same block.

I heard the same thing from the Tap house guys, they were looking at that space before opening the butcher and the brewer...the numbers did not make sense. XYZ or Parkview for watching a game. the new pizza place might fit into the middle niche..... $15 for a flat bread pizza was kind of nuts from Cha. Their food wasn't good enough for what they were charging. We do need a "cheaper" place. I love local west, but 25 bux for 2 sandwiches?? Drop $70 at XYZ for happy hour?? Parkview still has $2 beers, but for how long? Still cant beat Lat 41 for the Menage a trois for sat brunch. Eggs/potatoes/toast/sausage AND bacon/coffee... all for $5.99 $70 at XYZ happy hour? My god what are you getting. You can get a slice of pizza and a beer for $5.00 on Mondays. You can get a cleveland cheesesteak and a beer for $10 on Wednesdays. I dont think ive ever spent $70 in non happy hour for my wife and i Love the Lat 41. Can spend $50 at grumpy's without even trying. Shot and a beer $8 times 3. wife drinks wine. X 4 glasses which I think are $6 at happy hour.....there is $48 right there. If they are $5 it is $44 before food. an order of chips then whatever each of us eats. Sometimes I get the pizza, sometimes not. It is not very good. The bill is pushing $70 before the tip. We go on Friday for happy hour. I don't go out/drink much if at all during the week.

I heard the same thing from the Tap house guys, they were looking at that space before opening the butcher and the brewer...the numbers did not make sense. XYZ or Parkview for watching a game. the new pizza place might fit into the middle niche..... $15 for a flat bread pizza was kind of nuts from Cha. Their food wasn't good enough for what they were charging. We do need a "cheaper" place. I love local west, but 25 bux for 2 sandwiches?? Drop $70 at XYZ for happy hour?? Parkview still has $2 beers, but for how long? Still cant beat Lat 41 for the Menage a trois for sat brunch. Eggs/potatoes/toast/sausage AND bacon/coffee... all for $5.99

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Do you mean kennilworth and scranton?

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the plan is 1 street. Battery park av will be extended but it will curve north to meet the edge of the 9 story tower that exists on 70th.. so ends up kind of 1/2 way between bp av an frascati.

I've been watching the construction from the start (live in the neighborhod). I don't know anything about it, but reading here there was some concerns raised in this forum about the fact they they were "stick built" despite being 4-5 stories. What this means... hell if I know... but if I was buying a condo unit that might give me pause about the future. That said, if I were renting and wanted to live in the neighborhood I'd jump on it. They have built in a little walk way that connect directly into the 65th St Edgewater tunnel. I think they're going to be a hit. The stick built wont matter to a renter, but the life of the buildings will be shorter...they will decay faster, than say the new apartment buildings that are going up on Detroit around w 30th... they are concrete and steel. All that "wood" exposed to the elements during construction will be problematic for NPR going forward, Just crap construction, thrown up hastily, and since the owners are in Texas they wont care about maintaining it once they get their money back out. Look at the condos going up in battery park...notice the "green board" as the external sheathing......Look at what the Edison has. Multi family construction allows wood framing at 4 stories and under. Ohio Building Code is followed. Enough said on that. Comparisons to Stonebridge are a little ridiculous. The developer paid off the inspectors to look the other way. And they went to jail. And from what I have read, it was a faulty design. If you don't like it, don't buy it, but don't say it's cheap and won't last. Not everything has to be brick & stone. Nobody can buy it, it is rental property. Ohio building code is the minimum...just doing the minimum is not high quality. I can say whatever I like. I drive by it every day. I have seen the sheathing exposed to the rain elements.

of course they will do fine. they will make their money. Is that a lifetime appointment? Of course they are pumping up the excitement for this project...it makes them more money. And using free publicity, that is novel idea. It is pretty simple...drive by this, and drive by the apartments on Detroit around w.32. One of these things is not like the other. I am happy to have more people in the neighborhood. I don't mind people making money. This could have been a much higher quality build, especially for the rents being asked. K & D sold Stonebridge. They were all excited for that. The build quality was terrible, and everybody is paying the price....including them that is how bad that was...the developer had to come up shooting to fix it, that is almost unheard of. It is what it is, it is going up, no stopping it now. I don't expect you to be in charge of maintenance in 10 years, if you are I will buy you a beer, I am not going anywhere. BUT I am also not going to buy into how great the construction is....it isn't.

I've been watching the construction from the start (live in the neighborhod). I don't know anything about it, but reading here there was some concerns raised in this forum about the fact they they were "stick built" despite being 4-5 stories. What this means... hell if I know... but if I was buying a condo unit that might give me pause about the future. That said, if I were renting and wanted to live in the neighborhood I'd jump on it. They have built in a little walk way that connect directly into the 65th St Edgewater tunnel. I think they're going to be a hit. The stick built wont matter to a renter, but the life of the buildings will be shorter...they will decay faster, than say the new apartment buildings that are going up on Detroit around w 30th... they are concrete and steel. All that "wood" exposed to the elements during construction will be problematic for NPR going forward, Just crap construction, thrown up hastily, and since the owners are in Texas they wont care about maintaining it once they get their money back out. Look at the condos going up in battery park...notice the "green board" as the external sheathing......Look at what the Edison has.

For residential structures 3 stories or less, it just doesn't make sense to do anything besides wood framing. There's no way you can charge enough to justify higher construction costs. I think the building you're talking about on Detroit is Mariner's Watch. That's multi-family with parking underneath, totally different setup. They are 4 story apartment buildings , So not 3 stories or less and multi family. Your point was?

ALL of it stick built. town homes in the foreground. 4 story apartment buildings in the background.. the stuff attached to the cinderblock elevator shafts/stairwells are the apartments. The townhomes that Dergon and I live in have 2 x 4 drywall on both sides of a cinderblock wall 4 stories high. there is nothing between the townhomes....there is a whole LOT of nothing between the apartments. I am sure they will be getting all the top of the line soundproofing...that could have been achieved with concrete, but wasn't. It is real easy to see. Go drive by the apartments that were just finished at 32 nd and detroit and the new ones they are building at 38th. Then drive by this. One of these 3 projects is going to age much worse than the others. 2 are quality construction, one isn't.

You can see the difference in quality between this and the new stuff on Detroit near W. 25th st. That is concrete, cinderblock, and brick.... this is 4 stories of stick built junk. the only thing made out of anything other than fiberboard is the elevator shafts. This will not age well. Better than an abandoned industrial building....but won't be in 20 years as it deteriorates.

Yes...and the battery park people. Parking issues around the battery park wine bar and Grafitti as well as residents and guests of the shoreway. They were concerned about what type of retail and if that would add to the evening/weekend parking load.

The only other push back was on parking. 1.3 parking spaces per unit. Nothing extra for the retail. It was pretty refreshing. Nobody was all that unhappy with the density. The Battery Park people were against anything taller than what they had. Except there was always a plan for a 6 story building in the original BP planning. and that one is selling now and has nothing to do with this new plan. That is Park Place for those unfamiliar. http://batteryparkcleveland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PARK-PLACE-common.pdf

Small footprint....i think it was +/- 140 units. Based on the reception, 20 stories isn't going to happen. If people wanted to live on the gold coast they would have moved to the gold coast....pretty much sums up the mood.

That's my hat. if you look along the bottom of the plan. Between the blue (5 stories) and yellow (3 stories) boxes denoting 2 new buildings. The yellow building would have 12,000 sq ft of retail. you will see a road that bends to the north (left is where the lake is) The 20 story building would be just to the right of where the road meets 70th ( 73rd along the bottom, 70th across the top) to the left of the road is the property that is not under the developers control. The red boxes at the northern edge by the RR tracks are 3 stories. The Green box is 3 stories along 70th and 5 stories for the portion running perpendicular to 70th and 73rd.

So i went to this meeting last night. Very nice gentleman gave over an hour long presentation. There were and are NO supporting materials available.... For the most part a very good plan. The developer was able to purchase the mobile martin property. 1279 w. 73rd The developer was unable to secure the property to the north of the mobile martin property and south of the structure you see above that has been demo'd J & M something or other. The old "plan" called for pushing father frascati through from 73rd to 70th. The new plan calls for Battery Park Blvd to be the connecting street. Some good in the plan. Mix of 5, 3, 2 story buildings. Some ground floor retail on 73rd. Bike and car sharing. Dense mixed use. AND then the elephant hiding under the rug....... hour into the meeting, slide 55 of 60 or so had a big grey shadow in the renderings. the last slide had a 20 story building. just to the south of where Battery park blvd would be pushed through. That went over like a lead balloon. For reference the building at 1331 w 70th is a 9 story building.

Luchita's on 117th? just south of 90

Is there a link to whatever the plans are for this new 4 story cascading to 2 apartment block looks like?

The sewer isn't there any more. It runs under father frascati.

Boy those townhomes north of Park Place are REALLY close to the tracks... I'm surprised they can actually build on that parcel considering that deep sewer line that was relocated for the 73rd interchange project. Its funny how much the site plan for BP has evolved over the last 5 yrs or so the sewer line runs along father fraschati. then up along the east side of 73rd to go under father caruso. It was moved from along the tracks further south so they could run 73rd down into the park. They are built on a slab, no basement. Even if the sewer line were directly beneath them.. it is over 30 feet down to where the sewer line is. the closest of those places are at either end and will be > 50 feet away. about the same distance from the tracks as the closest townhouses on father caruso east of w. 70th.

Can somebody tell me where to find a map (or a description) of the jurisdictions/coverage areas of the various university circle police departments? IE case/UH/Clinic?

Do we/you know where Zone is on all of this? is he going to allow this use, against the master plan? or is he against it? Where are the block clubs/DSCDO?