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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/10/cleveland_state_university_buy.html#incart_river "CSU is paying $150,000 a year to put the school's name on the upgraded 55 route, which begins service in November." will there be a stop at W. 73rd and the shoreway when the construction is complete. will this route be running a 7 day a week schedule?

Easily walkable. Avis & budget 1717 E 9th St Hertz 1701 E 12th St Not as close, but I think they advertise that they bring the car to you.... Enterprise 1802 Superior Ave Probably the same amount of time/walk as taking that bus to the offsite car rental site. Especially since there is no easy access to 480/71. I really have no idea they didn't allow access out onto Grayton where the highways are.

Just Like "Train to city" <> RTA. The first "normal people" understand. The second means nothing to almost everybody. KJP you are correct and also horribly wrong. Traffic is good in your sense/usage. People hear traffic and they have a visceral reaction.

The word means bad things to every day people...Not RTA GM's or urban planners or the head of All aboard ohio or people up to speed on the issues like here. "Normal" People: Traffic = cars + bad. There are traffic reports and traffic warnings and traffic helicopters. Traffic makes people's days longer and more miserable. People love people....people hate traffic. So keep using it....and keep wondering why you cant win the public over to your smart common sense ideas. (that I fully agree with and endorse) this is how the right wingers win the day...find the "correct" words and hammer them. Keep using "traffic" when you mean people and positive activity and you will keep wondering why your simple basic common sense ideas are DOA. I know you what you mean.. Joe and Jane suburbanites hear bad things.

hey ken Tell Litt. Healthy cities = People not "traffic" People Hear traffic and they think 2 things cars and bad.....people are neither. words matter. even if he means foot traffic....get the words right or nobody will ever be on your side.

The shoreway building started moving people in yesterday

Your false choice is a false choice, You sell smaller footprints and sell them for less. If you care about where you do it...if not you throw up crappy construction and squeeze every nickel out of it and leave the damage behind, because you don't live there. The human being determines the quality of the human being. There are already too many non citizens within a 1 mile radius of my address. There are plenty of poor people who live in and care about this neighborhood, they are more vocal about rental housing than I am. I am at the meetings. It's not the poor...it is the not caring about those around you. You be hopeful in Lakewood over there. I live with the reality that I see every time I drive down Detroit Rd. You take those people and hope em up all you have to give. Hope in 1 hand in poop in the other..see which one fills up first. I will advocate for for sale housing and actively work against rental they can call it "luxury" all they want, that will go out the window the second the bottom line is involved. Bless your heart.

It isn't a false choice..Battery park has been chugging along quite nicely, it wont be vacant land for long. But Vintage is just looking for the short quick dollar. They see downtown at 95% capacity, they see Mariners watch renting out before it is built. They are just switching gears for the fast dollar, now that they see it is out there. We don't want it, we don't want to be glenville, we don't want transients, we want citizens, people who are invested in the community, not people searching for the next "shiny", or people with few or no options. I understand there are good renters, I was, before I bought. A large segment of good renters become good homeowners, not to many bad renters become good homeowners, they stay bad renters or become bad homeowners. My wife's co-worker will be a good renter someday she will be a good homeowner.....Has anybody looked at what happens to those buildings converted to residental with historic tax credits? The way it was explained to me is that they need to be rentals for 10 years before they can be converted to For Sale housing...That is why Friese and Schule and that building next to the rockerfeller building started being sold off in the past few years. This wont be that, this is purpose built rental housing, it will be "shiny" but cheaply made, it will look good with a little granite some laminate floors and a washer dryer hookup. It will have garbage windows, little insulation, poor sound proofing, undersized electrical, 15 year roof . Something that will not convert to for sale housing like the brick buildings made in the 20's 30's 40's, nobody with any level of sanity will buy this. This will just deteriorate in place, next door to my house as the rents decline, as will the renters, except the good ones who will chase the next new shiny in Cuddel or Collinwood, or on lakeshore on the other side of Brathenal, or in Lakewood. In my opinion after downtown people would gobble this up in the heights or Lakewood, nice walkable communities with responsive police forces before they would pick D/S. You wouldn't have to look at the hookers or drug dealers on Detroit between W BLVD and W 80TH if you put this in the Heights or Lakewood. The place they are putting in at Green and Chagrin isn't an equivalent because there isn't much there you could walk to. But a brand new "luxury" rental would do better in Coventry or at Bunts and Detroit, than in D/S. You get the same urban walk ability in those suburbs, and if somebody breaks into your car, the cops show up and at least act like they care and occasionally catch somebody. In Cleveland they actively discourage you from going to the station and filing a report. See I don't discriminate...I have disdain for everybody who isn't trying to be a net positive. The boys in blue who cant be bothered to do their job, ineffective political leadership, Developers looking for the fast buck, crappy neighbors who have no skin in the game. This isn't some analogue for Racialism. I also really don't care about all ya all's (and no I am not from the south, that phrase just works really well here, it is the plural you, Pittsburghers would say Yinze) rationalizations about why I should be happy or accept this. You want it you advocate to have it where you live. Don't try to tell me I should like it, because I don't, Bless your hearts (that one too)

On top of all that, people are more likely to move around the country/world than in the past. It does not make financial sense to buy if you could be gone in less than five years. And for those talking about rentals bringing down housing values....the new apartments are in the $1,000-2,000 a month range (more than a mortgage). These renters are a little different than $600 per month slumlord style renting. The rents are only 1000-2000 a month as long as people pay it, once there aren't people paying that it will be 700-1500 then 600 - 1200. The management company doesn't live there, they don't care if they destroy the neighborhood. Owners have an ownership stake. The developer only cares about $$. he will take Sec 8 or turn his property into a frat house or rent 2 bedroom units to 10 people if he has to to satisfy his stakeholder(s)....who don't live in the neighborhood. What's the ROI on 90-180 grand per year for (what does it cost to throw up a 3-4 story stick built vinyl box with say 120,000 square feet under the roof) 5 year payback?? The fact that they might get 1000 a month now doesn't mean they will happily be cashing 500 a month checks in 2020, while their neighbors paid into the neighborhood at 200,000 to 500,000 grand. What marching orders do you think the manger will have. 1) where's my money? 2) make sure our property is an asset to the community, the money, not so much. And unlike Lakewood, Cleveland's finest cannot be bothered with "Quality of Life" calls. They are too busy ignoring dead bodies on the freeway and blatant prostitution/drug dealing on major thouroghfares, including one of the "gateways" to this particular neighborhood. So you like rental, you can have the rental, this neighborhood doesn't want it.

RE shoreway building. Had a co-worker of my wife spend the night with us, she was supposed to be living there tonight. They are going to be putting her up at quail hollow until she can move in. Appliances are not installed (on site) she has no toilet, she was told the rooftop deck would be ready by labor day...I would bet she wont be enjoying it until memorial day. they said it was a sewer issue.....It is more like they aren't finished, based on first/second hand information, I would say it wont be ready for 1-2 weeks. They said "maybe monday" Promises = nothing Execution = everything.

Sorry not buying this. Bought into the neighborhood because of the original and the new resident owners. The old residents didn't flee to burbs and slumlord out their houses. I love the old residents and wouldn't have moved here without them. I know they are less happy than I am about all the new rental activity....I go to the community meetings. They are the most vocal about rental.

They just wont be part of the HOA....and "marketed and sold as" means nothing unless it is written into a contract. The Apt Bldg could also be the "new" industrial building site between 70th and 73rd. Between the shoreway bldg, the new 300 unit (approx) rental property going in between 65th and 58th and now this new 90 unit building, renters will outnumber owners of BP, and the older units on 70th, Fr. Caruso, 69th and 67th. I think almost everybody bought into this neighborhood, because people were buying into the neighborhood. If we wanted to live in a neighborhood where renters outnumbered owners we would have moved to somewhere in Lakewood.

Well I thing we know what is going to happen to the Industrial building be taken down at the corner of 70th and Father Caruso for the entrance into the park. As well as the the lot on the north east corner of the current battery park site. Will cross post in the Detroit Shoreway thread http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/vintage_development_group_plan.html#incart_river Marous said Vintage is seeing considerable demand for apartments and for-sale homes in the city. Buying activity has picked up at Battery Park, the company's large residential community that overlooks Edgewater Park from a perch between West 73rd and West 76th streets. Vintage is in the early design stages for a 90-unit apartment building at Battery Park and a 34-unit loft condominium building. Condo construction didn't make sense on the Ohio City site, though, because of the larger size of the project and the need for early buyer commitments.

Well I thing we know what is going to happen to the Industrial building be taken down at the corner of 70th and Father Caruso for the entrance into the park. As well as the the lot on the north east corner of the current battery park site. Will cross post in the Shoreway conversion thread http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/vintage_development_group_plan.html#incart_river Marous said Vintage is seeing considerable demand for apartments and for-sale homes in the city. Buying activity has picked up at Battery Park, the company's large residential community that overlooks Edgewater Park from a perch between West 73rd and West 76th streets. Vintage is in the early design stages for a 90-unit apartment building at Battery Park and a 34-unit loft condominium building. Condo construction didn't make sense on the Ohio City site, though, because of the larger size of the project and the need for early buyer commitments.

so they stay. costs them nothing to put the hook in the water.

its a lottery ticket, if somebody is paying top dollar, take it. Maybe they move over to the Opportunity corridor, or along 176, 71, 77 or 90. If there is something that Cleveland has no shortage of, is underused/abandoned industrial property that would be real easy to re-purpose as a parking garage for a fleet of vans.

These are the descriptions for the 2 properties: what here says NOT industrial/commercial Built in 1999, this light manufacturing facility is over 29,000sf contains 2 overhead doors, shop space for vehicle maintenance, several office spaces, conference room, loft storage, central air conditioning, living quarters with a balcony, security fencing, security cameras, sprinkler system and fenced in parking. Located across from Battery Park. New shore way entrance currently under construction on W.73rd street. Minutes from downtown! Perfect for Owner/User Facts Built in 1995, this light manufacturing facility is over 20,000sf contains 2 overhead doors, shop space for vehicle maintenance, several office spaces, conference room, central air conditioning, security fencing, security cameras, sprinkler system and fenced inparking. Located near Battery Park. New shore way entrance currently under construction on W.73rd street. Minutesfrom downtown! Perfect for Owner/User. For more information on building # 1 for sale, please see listing # 3632595.

the first link is the property where the owner/operator was at the meeting. 30k sf light industrial property for sale for $972,000, if they cant cash a lottery ticket they will be there for years to come, which is why she was at the meeting concerned about what a new Frascati will mean for her loading dock....hardly 1 foot out of the neighborhood if they had any firm offer on the table. neither of those is mobile martin, both are currently in use as industrial property. Just because they are for sale doesn't mean they wont continue in their industrial use. This statement by gottaplan is false "There's really no other industrial property south of Frascati. " All of the property south of frascati is currently industrial (at least on the W. 70th side) just because it is for sale and could possibly someday become residential, doesn't mean that it is not currently industrial. I drive down W. 70th every day. 1 side is residential (west) ...Mt Carmel, the highrise, the lowrise yellow condos, the townhouses.... the east side is a wall of industrial buldings with the exception of 7 houses across from the high rise, all the way up to the old Tower Candy bldg just north of detroit.

The property just south of the "new" frasciti is an active business. The owner was at the meeting and was very concerned about how it would affect her loading dock. Except for 7 houses W. 70th on the West side all the way up to Detroit is all industrial property (Plus mt. carmel's soccer field ---about 1/2 regulation size). Some of it is not currently active, but it is almost all industrial

all of the area in your top down that is not currently under a building is used for the 73rd st. underpass. Between that and the new street 1/2 of that property will be undevelopable. What you are left with is about the same area as that smaller looking lot across W. 73rd to the east. Which is still pretty significant, but means 20 new townhomes instead of 40

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/LakefrontWest/PublishingImages/MainlineReconstructionUpdated_June2014.jpg here is an overview Pink is the "new" edgewater BLVD, including a new roundabout at the entrance to Edgewaterpark. Green is the multi-use trail. I was also told..... "everything north of the train tracks is the Metroparks responsibility everything south is the City's" Matt Zone said he had a meeting next week with the Metroparks and the city to delineate responsibility I am not sure if he meant the road as well, since the question had to do with maintaining the landscaping.

No Idea what vintage is planning on doing. They said something about "1 story more than most of the surrounding townhouses" But I could not tell if the questioner was asking about the corner parcel of Battery Park (which the original plan has a 6 story Apt bldg) or this new Vintage property. if you look at the plans for the new under pass W 73rd bends towards 70th before it goes under the train tracks. Also the under pass is not a concrete "chute" with vertical walls at the edges of the road it is a terraced hillside. I am not sure how much land vintage will have left to build on. http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/LakefrontWest/Documents/86481_Renderings.pdf look at first render.....they look to have about 1/2 the land of the current footprint of that industrial site, especially when the southern edge will be a city street (I am sure some of the overall funding was to buy the right of way)

Not the complete BLVD Complete by 12/15 is the W. 73rd st portion. They said they have complete funding for the BLVD. one reason they can do the lower work on where 73rd will tie in/replace the off ramp, that is part of the BLVD funding and not the W. 73rd funding. Since it was a neighborhood meeting about the W. 73rd st work they did not go into many details about the BLVD conversion. Shoreway conversion is funded, will begin about where the "bop stop" is. showed 2 slides...1 had the multipurpose paths (from Clfton/lake tying in to W. 25th across from St. Malachi and then over the D/S bridge). The other was a top down render of the BLVD with trees where the median is. the BLVD will have the "same footprint" as the shoreway. with 3 lanes of traffic in each direction....."think Chester" was the comment. I think they said go to the ODOT website for the current BLVD conversion plans----lots of crowd noise when this was brought up. Another take away.....Matt Zone seems to be pretty good at his job. Not only getting this done, but keeping the crowd on point.

There was a meeting at Mt. Carmel last night about the construction. Takeaways W. 73rd St Under Pass 1) project supposed to be complete in 12/15 2) Trains on temporary tracks from 8/14-4/15 3) Will be working on the lower portion of the new73rd st under the tracks into the shoreway off ramp (hence the closure Dergon mentions above...this is starting about 6 months sooner than originally planned. Separate but related to the 73rd St. underpass. 1) The West Shoreway will be Re-named to Edgewater Boulevard, the shoreway will begin at about W 30th, from there west will be a tree lined Blvd (including removing the cement median to be replaced by trees). 35 MPH, no stop signs or lights. described as chester or clifton but no lights adds 75 seconds to a trip. 2) there is funding to re-do W.73rd st from Detroit north....it will be 2 lanes and a dedicated bike lane...no parking on 73rd. No plan for a light at 73rd and detroit. 3) Father Frascati will be "punched" through from 73rd to 70th. The industrial building standing at father caruso between 70th and 73rd will be demolished for the road extension and the remainder of the property will be developed by Vintage. I will attempt to answer any questions if you have any.

this was my contribution: FlyovermeDC1988 38 minutes ago Follow flyoverme Share to Facebook Share to Twitter Go to permalink If I dropped you off at the House of Blues on a Saturday afternoon - other than the immediate pockets in and around 4th St, you're stranded, there's no where to go unless you get in a car. The real main issue is that there's no solid public transportation to connect parts of the city. I've long that it's an outright tragedy that I can't catch a train from the Q down to the Rock Hall. Or more importantly, that I can't catch a train in Mentor and take it to the West Side Market. That's a regional infrastructure issue, I know, but part of the same problem. Reply clevangilist bobby ProfileFollow bobbyFlyoverme Just now Invite Follow clevangilist Share to Facebook Share to Twitter Go to permalink well then you just aren't paying attention. From either end of E 4th st you probably saw a bus go by every 5 minutes you were standing there. http://www.riderta.com/ Below tower city which is attached to the Q by a walkway, you can take the waterfront line (light rail) to the RR hall of fame. There are also 5 FREE trolly bus routes operated by the local transit authority. 3 of which would take you from the Q/E 4th st to the RR hall of fame...another 1 would take you to the warehouse district and another that would take you to Playhouse square...all for FREE http://www.riderta.com/routes/l-line http://www.riderta.com/routes/c-line http://www.riderta.com/routes/b-line http://www.riderta.com/routes/e-line http://www.riderta.com/routes/ninetwe... Trolley service is "free with a smile". Trolley operators, called "ambassadors", are trained to help you with local information. You can also get a red line (heavy rail) train in tower city to get you to Ohio City and the Gordon Square arts District as well as the airport going west and the Cleveland Clinic/art museum/little Italy/severence hall (home of the Cleveland Orchestra) going east....as will the Healthline. The Green/Blue light rail lines take you east into more residential areas but Shaker Sq is on the route. Shaker Square has many restaurants/bars as well as a movie theater. Those cost $2.25 1 way or $5 for an all day pass. You could easily spend 3-5 days in Cleveland without a car. If you want to.