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Did you catch the shortcut he took through the projects on (or about) East 55th? lol The projects were the lakeview terraces at the end of W.25h st. which "can be" on the way from rocky river to the gas station by the flat iron he fuels up/takes a phone call at on his way to? FES/CBS? certainly not in between berea and rocky river. Maybe there was a "kevin mackey" moment that got cut out of the movie. It seems like they mash First Energy Stadium and berea together somewhat.

The 76th st and 65th st Intersections are now 1 at 73rd.

This story in the most recent issue of rolling stone. Really good read about Camden NJ. http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/apocalypse-new-jersey-a-dispatch-from-americas-most-desperate-town-20131211 This graf is apropos to this discussion "That's the crazy thing about this city. The Camden story was originally a controversial political effort to isolate urban crime and slash municipal spending by moving political power out of dying nonwhite cities. And they do it, this radical restructuring backed by the best in Baghdad-style security technology, and for a second or two it looks like it's working – only the whole thing might be rendered moot in the end by the collapse of the rest of America. All over the country, we've been so busy arguing over who's productive and who isn't that we might not be noticing that the whole ship is going down. There's no lesson in any of it, just a giant mess that still isn't cleaned up." Meth use in rural areas, Heroin/Prescription drug use in the suburbs. The hopelessness is everywhere, it wont be "fixed" soon. People with nothing AND no hope of ever achieving anything....destroy. Themselves, their families, their communities. It will get worse before it gets better.

crappy's is only 2 years old. Once everything closer to 65th is filled...that Subway/sergios pizza is prime to get repurposed. BK has been there longer than 15 years.

This is most likely for the old industrial property all the way north up to Father Caruso south to just past Father Frascati. The same people who are doing battery park either own or have an option to buy that building. Right now they are routing the sewer diagonally across the northern most part of it, so they can drop 73rd under the train tracks. The drop will start at Father Frascati. Councilman Zone is really big on the developer running Father Frascati through to w. 70th. Once the construction is done there will be no way to get from one side of this neighborhood to the other without going all the way up to Detroit in the photo at the top of the page, it is in the lower left hand corner. W. 73rd is the left hand border, battery park is on the other side of 73rd.

That is not the discussion they are having. the only discussion they are having is "waaahhhh I don't wannna pay!!!!!" AND don't cut anything I need or use....keep government's hands off my medicare? I want all of you do a little exercise that I did for myself. go back through your tax returns. Look at what you made and look at the percentage you paid in federal income tax. I did this little exercise and what I found was very interesting. A pretty steady 27% regardless of circumstances. All of those tax cuts.....never made it to me. Those aren't and weren't for you and me. They weren't for the 47% or the 53% or even the 1% they were for the .01% So no, stop cutting taxes, all that does it make it so I will be paying more later. Raise taxes to pay for the obligations we have already taken on. Once you have paid for the stuff we already have decided was necessary. THEN we can have the discussion about Need/Not need. The Tea Party is exactly 180 degrees wrong.

The communists could build/maintain roads. the New free market economy can't.. This is the reality the Tea Party is advocating for. This is what happens when you "drown the government in a bathtub" All that stuff falls apart when you don't want to pay for it, Look at our roads and bridges, but hey lets cut taxes some more....

They also do the same in Queenstown NZ.

Instead of closing/rerouting. maybe re-route a few of the RTA buses. There is no reason every line has to go across the DS bridge and up W. 25th. The 35 and the 81 used to go through Tremont. a few more of those bus lines could use the Lorain Carnagie bridge. or other routes Such as franklin to Fulton. 7 bus lines come up 25th st. 20-21-22-35-45-79-81 The 81 and 35 used to go across L/C and avoid the "problem" area After you do that. Use street scaping. Instead of concrete/asphalt use brick pavers or cobblestones. This naturally causes drivers to slow. Remove a few (not all) of the metered spaces for bump outs at the cross walks. get the police over there to write tickets. Jaywalking, cars blocking intersections, cars parked in bus stops.. All of the stuff that causes traffic issues. One of the bigger ones I notice is pedestrians ignoring the walk/don't walk signs to walk directly in front of the traffic that has a left turn signal. They are the same as the bung hole drivers who don't stop for pedestrians in the crosswalk between the market and the bank. If you ignore the things that are designed for the flow of traffic and how it interacts with the pedestrians you seriously impact traffic flow. That and maybe the west side burbanites who are all smart and beating feat out of downtown using 25th...if they were twice as smart as they think they are would turn right on franklin then left on fulton or W 44th and get on 90 at 41 or 44, but thinking 1 step ahead is so difficult you really cant expect 2. This area is a problem sat mornings and afternoon rush hours. It is at least partially temporary. Once all the innerbelt bridge construction is over, you wont have so many people looking for "creative" ways to get downtown. You don't make big expensive permanent solutions to temporary problems. All of that being said? what is his proposal for the biggest most glaring problem of all? the hill is sliding into the river. If you drive franklin behind the projects/farm you will see the road is literally coming apart as the hill disintegrates. they already shut down riverbend (below franklin on the hill) because it was so far gone. The price tag on that whole projects is peanuts compared to the unstable hill side he wants to put it on.

if you click the link. There are 6 requests for variances on 6 different named parcels. with 6 different square footage's. I made the mistake of not clicking the link. Which I owned up to. Why doesn't somebody else tell me about the new TPS cover sheet?

ah sorry about that, just read the text you quoted. The southern part of the parking lot could probably hold 6 and/or the land to the south. I thought there were some serious issues with the stability of the hill? One reason the existing building was put on the north western most corner of the lot? I wonder if they will all front 19th st, or if they will put a drive off 19th to the east with 3 on each side of it. and then do that 2 or 3 more times.

Just took my cat there. very operational. This will be south of the parking lot I think. Or even be where the southern most part of the parking lot is..There is a second curb cut, could be parcel 1-A And it is 1 town home. Not town home(s) 1 2,735 square foot, two family townhouse unit 1 unit 2 family, 1365 Sq foot per family with 1 attached - 2 car garage. Almost seems to be a Single with an in-law suite 1600 and 1100?. Probably will live there and walk to work. Put his moms upstairs? Or be like the tremont townhouses with the rental unit in the basement.

go here http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/lakefront/iactive/flash/ Click on "the Plan" 5th option from the left in the header band. Click on West Development detail You can then slide the map around. It looks like the area around the old train station is slated for future development... At least in the mind of whomever drew up this map.

I cant find the map I saw it on. But the 2 most notable sections were at w. 25th and the land between the highway under/overpass and the Westinghouse building below the bluff...that area is 1/2? 2/3rds? the same size? as battery park. If they put the highway at grade it opens all the way from the W. 76th tunnel to the Westinghouse building. I would make that phase XX after the Eastern part is developed.

I think they could put a bus stop where 73rd comes down and ties into the "off ramp" that wont be one anymore. Start with 1 stop there. Then maybe another at 54th and then at 33-38 where the shoreway almost touches detroit (or 45th, wherever they put an intersection) so people can transfer. more than 1 or 3 I don't think are necessary. W. 25th already has multiple buses, no need for a stop there, especially with the real highway like on/off ramps you are still going to have, that is where the "highway" will now start. Unless you send some (or all) of the 55's over the D/S bridge into downtown. 55S and 55D? I cant see more than 3, and I would start with just the 1, needed between the entrance at lake and the Main avenue bridge. It would be nice if at 73rd there was some sort of indicator to notify the driver that he/she needs to pick up there. No need to exit if there is nobody getting on/off. I do think RTA needs to extend the 55 (or something else) during evening weekends so that people can access the park. Have the 55 run at least hourly. It is a good mile from Detroit/65th to get down to the park itself.

Do you mean North of the shoreway or south? North would be perfect for a roundabout. If anybody in this town knew how to use them. I traverse the one near Steelyard and the one on MLK near the Veterans hospital. People just do not get what to do. The worst are the people who get into the roundabout then stop.

Well that was when the funding wasn't there for the rest of it. It almost seems a shame to destroy that bridge, overpass, underpass? even if/when a BLVD. that thing is built like the Romans did it, too outlast the empire. It looks like the bridges/overpasses/underpasses along MLK through the cultural gardens. So even when/if it becomes a 35 MPH tree lined BLVD it might be nice. The road will still be as wide as Clifton, no? The fewer traffic lights necessary the better I think. I say this as somebody who lives directly above this on the bluff. The pedestrian underpasses they did at Lake/76th/65th, what they are doing with 73rd means the first actual intersection (if it becomes one) will be at W. 54th. Even with the 35 MPH speed limit I don't see any real impediment to speed before 54th st. The real test will come when then turn over the land East of that Over pass between the bluff and the road to a developer. If you google map it and zoom in, there is a chunk of land between there and the Westinghouse building that will be developed sooner or later. Once those driveways/entrance onto the shoreway exist you might see a traffic light around 65th or so.

This is how W. 73rd will tie into the shoreway http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/LakefrontWest/Documents/86481_Renderings.pdf

here is the "plan" http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/LakefrontWest/Pages/default.aspx always subject to change.

went to the planning meeting last night. For the 73rd st underpass. It was an EPA mandated environmental impact meeting Highlights Total project time 2+ years. Phase 1 Moving the sewer Instead of following along the train tracks it will run parrallel to Fr Frascati from the NE corner of the Powerhouse building to past 73rd, They are moving it far enough south that they can drop 73rd under the train tracks. Work from 73rd towards YOLO/powerhouse building Found VOC's and metals between 15-20 feet down at 3 test bore sites closest to the powerhouse building Arsenic, lead, tolulene....things you would think to find around a battery plant. Guy in the crowd had a chemistry teacher at West tech that used to work at the Battery factory, that is where the "pits" were where the would dump stuff. Sewer pipes 7 feet in diameter. will be working with 10 - 20 foot pipe sections. will only excavate as necessary, will NOT be digging the whole trench first then laying the pipe. 8 structures "junction boxes" for the sewers (manhole covers) the sewer work should be complete by June of 2014. Then they will move the train tracks 30 feet. build a bridge over 73rd move the train back. Dig the underpass. V-ball courts next to YOLO will be shut down

I thought to ask and then forgot to ask the guys at the meeting. Does anyone know where they will start/end the 30 foot shift? there is a bridge around 58th and another across lake that limits how far east/west they can find 30 feet. Will they use this entire distance? will the trains have new signalling? what will the speed be on the temporary shift? I have seen trains go by pretty darn fast, will they maintain that speed. I don't know that the guys at the meeting would even know the answers, there were no railroad people there, and the rail work wont be happening until next year

1 fun fact. They just repaved w. 70th all the way down to Fr. Caruso from Detroit. Including ripping up and replacing the handicapped curb cuts/ramps that were perfectly serviceable and hadn't been there very long. Those and about 200-300 feet up 70th from Fr. caruso will now be torn up for the sewer work. In the grand scheme of things a small thing...but really? the city paving folks couldn't have saved 300 feet of asphalt time/materials and the curbs? That is one of the small things that makes people really question their leaders. not even 2 months after putting it down it is getting ripped out......like they didn't realize the multi year multi million dollar project was going to start a couple months later.

Wasnt sure about the western terminus but the eastern end is the westinghouse building as in inside the westinghouse building. I have walked that track from down around whiskey island to where the construction is now. Dergon can back me up on this because I know he walks his dog there...from battery park east that track has not been used for anything (i have been there 3 yeas and not seen anything on those tracks) and if you get down on ground level and walk it.. to my uneducated eye is currently unusable. it is not flat and level the tracks are not true and perpendicular. The Ballast is uneven. the siding sits between 3 and 5 feet lower than the tracks. and that 2 foot difference can be within a 100 foot run. Anything done short of removing them entirely will probably place them in better condition than they are now. Since that is where the "temporary" double tracks are going, I expect the foundation to much better than what is there now. But regardless. Digging out/driving pilings for the sewers. then the train "bridge", then the 73rd st underpass. then repaving Fr. Caruso. 2 + years After all that then maybe the put Friscati through. ODOT and the contrator were asked about connecting E of 70th to 73rd. Shrugs all around. I would bet the house on not getting Fr. Caruso over on a bridge. Now or ever. It will be Frascati or nothing. I am worried that the walking path between 70 and 73 might get the axe at some point.

They aren't doing anything with the tracks until the sewer is done. I was at the meeting with ODOT, the contractor, the water department and Zone last week. They will first be driving pilings to trench in the sewer. any pile driving for the tracks will occur at 73rd, the photo shows the intersection of 69th. CPP is also putting the power underground along the sewer work.. they are taking up both sides of the road the same distance. The sewers are massive, they are replacing them and the "intercepts" at 69th and 70th which are even more massive. the tracks are moving 30 feet. There is a double track ( the train is on the nearest of the 2) the track you see in front of the train is about the 30 feet the tracks are moving that is an old un-used siding for all the heavy industry (everyready battery plant -- now battery park to the westinghouse builiding) that used to be here back in the day. There is no reason Frascati has to go straight through, put a jog in it so it is on on the edge of the parcel. I know the fracsati option backed by zone, cant imagine ODOT or anybody else changing the current plan after they have broken ground.

They wont be "escaping the neighborhood" with those noise walls. I put the over under on that being tagging central for every gang banger and wanna be within a 5 mile radius, and micheal symons nephew to before construction is complete. They are going to wish they never put them up....but the noise wall people will get a nice payday, I am sure they gave kasich a bunch of $$. I also put the over under on the noise walls crumbling and needing replaced at 10 years....a nice little annuity for those folks. and who is left in that neighborhood that needs noise walls? the few people there now wont be when this is all over? Guess we can give +10 points to those calling it a highway and -10 to anybody calling it anything else.