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Pulled out the DSCDO flyer The Sylvia now leasing Effieciency. 390 1 bdr. 450 2 bdr. 490 All asterixed some income restrictions may apply

If you are in lakewood/detroit shoreway. Depending on how far west you are. Bike on Lake/Clifton to Detroit or on Detroit (depending on where you are situated North/South) and across the Detroit superior bridge. Then at public square head down Euclid which has a dedicated bike lane (I believe) Alternatively you could use Franklin which parallels Detroit to the south. This allows you to make the journey "at grade" if you will, If you really want to go down into the flats you can turn left on W, 25th before getting to the D/S bridge head into the flats go over the Center street swing bridge and then there are 3 or four routes you could take to get back up top including going into the tower city parking lot and taking the escalator/elevator to return to the top. They were supposed to put some bike lanes along the shoreway, and a bridge connection whiskey island/Wendy park to the other side of the river, which would allow you to get from where Edgewater park starts to the East Bank of the flats while avoiding surface streets but that is now in some doubt of being completed. I have seen plenty of bikers on Detroit, probably not the ideal road to bike, but I do see people doing it all the time AND the Detroit Superior Bridge was re-constructed recently, they removed a traffic lane and widened the sidewalk and added bike lanes. Living anywhere along Detroit through D/S into the far end of lakewood gives you access to the 24 hr 26 bus line. And RTA passes are included in your tuition at CSU. The newly re-built Sylvia building On Franklin Blvd is currently renting....being a student you could very well meet their low income guidelines, I have a flyer at home with the rental rates, I think a studio was below 400, and a 2 bdrm was below 600. PM me and I will dig up the numbers and who you should contact. http://www.cleveland.com/rentals/plaindealer/index.ssf/2011/11/the_sylvia_renovation_brings_dynamic_new_apartments_to_clevelands_west_side.html http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/Ribbon-cutting-caps-building-renovation-in-Clevelands-Detroit-Shoreway-neighborhood http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/historicsylviarenovation092911.aspx

Detroit runs straight into downtown and isn't paralleled buy Euclid with the Healthline. It also has a dedicated ROW under the D/S bridge and I assume some sort of way to get down into the RTA rail terminal at Tower city. That and drive down detroit....solid pretty much all the way to and through rocky river. Lorain a little less so. Then drive down St. Clair and Superior...both of which are used as "highways" for downtwon access from the heights......look at the density of what is there compared to detroit rd. As far as I know there are 3 routes with the long buses. Healthline, 22 (Loain), 26 (detroit) 22 and 26 are straining capacity as is. improve them into a streetcar.

I didn't want the healthline moved to detroit. I want the healthline turned into a streetcar. I understand why that is extremely unlikely to occur at this point. so barring that I want a new streetcar down detroit or Lorain. NOT down St. Clair or superior. No more buses....FIXED infrastructure

if we dont upgrade the healthline with a streetcar which would be my first option, it never should have been a bus. then we should. 2) close the loop with the waterfront line....there have been numerous ideas on exactly how/where to do this. 3) and 3A) Run it down either Detroit or Lorain.... The east side has 3 rail lines and the health line. 4) run a red line extension from either 117 or West Blvd. into lakewood.

"Sugar...nobody is shouting you down" Excuse me ma'am. I don't know you. Referring to someone you do not know, and do not have their permission, using a familiar diminutive is yet another form of bullying. You can disagree with me without being so disagreeable.

I meant Cleveland Ohio, where I have lived my whole life...where I have run out of gas on Sunday because the first 3 gas stations weren't open. 1995 was about 15 years ago you know. I noticed more things open on sundays after I had been home from college for a bit (1990)

I grew up on the west side. lakewood, North Olmsted, Rocky river. Up until about 1995 NOTHING was open on sundays. No restaurants, no grocery stores, there was 1 gas station run by a Pakistani family on Lorain and W 220 th...that was it. well and the movie theater. Great your reality differed....probably because you were over in the area where a good portion of the population observed the sabbath on Sat instead of Sun. over on the west side....nada, if you weren't catholic, you were protestant and going to church eating dinner with your family.

"I think, gambling aside, this is going to be a great after hours place to go to grab a drink. " There are no after hour drinks at the casino. They have to abide by the same closing time laws as any other establishment serving booze.

$440 per person to fly From CLE-EWR around X-mas (used to be 150, then 220, then 350, now 440) $150 for Amtrak FOR 2 people. an extra 150 for room one way so for the price of 1 round trip ticket I can send 2 people in a private room on Amtrak. takes 12 hours CLE to NYP 6 am to 6 pm ......CLE-EWR you need to plan for at least 4 and is so often delayed it isn't even funny. Taking Amtak to visit the in-laws for x-mas this year. First year it makes sense economically.

this seems to be a case of mistaken nomenclature. It would appear that Portland neighborhood = Cleveland suburb. The Cleveland area is fairly unique in that we have many more small self contained cites where every other region has neighborhoods. A good majority of our "suburbs" lakewood, the heights, rocky river, bratenhal, euclid etc.....would be neighborhoods in almost any other urban area of this country instead of their own cities. Charlotte North Carolina is 300 sq miles. Columbus 212 Portland 145 Seattle 142 Cleveland 82 Parma is 20 Lakewood is 6.7 Rocky River 5.6 Bratenahl 1.6 Shaker Heights 6.3 University Heights 1.6 Cleveland Heights 8.1

I grew up in Rocky River. If I were to live in Rocky River now (and my wife and I almost did) I would live as close to the corner of Detroit and Wooster as possible. We spent a lot of time looking around the library, the address is 1600 Hampton Road Rocky River, OH 44116. The further north in River you go the more expensive it gets. North of Detroit, north of the train tracks, north of Lake rd. Personally I would replace Brookpark with Berea , and Garfield Heights with Independence.

Kamms corner? Ohio city. 1 seat train ride to the airport. 1 rapid stop from downtown. Grocery store and west side market. very close to Tri C downtown. Could bike it if you wanted to, but an easy direct drive across the lorain carnagie bridge. Could live there without a car if you wanted to.....train to airport to rent a car if you had to rent one. That or Tremont. Tremont has a dog park but more sporadic transit service. and the grocery store would not be walkable. There are a few smaller parks in ohio city you could walk to. Edgewater park and Clark fields (where the dog park in Tremont is) are less than 3 miles from the "center" of ohio city lorain and W. 25th st. Not the Geographic center, but where most of the activities and amenities are Both tremont and Ohio City are about the same short distance from Tri-C metro. Both have plenty of restaurants/bars within easy walking distance. Fly in, get on the train to W. 25th walk around.....get a hotel downtown which would be 1 more stop..The Hyatt usually has reasonable rates at the foot of E. 4th st. Pretty much everything about Cleveland screams blue collar...even the gentrified areas. If you live in Ohio city you could easily do that with less than 1 car depending on your comfort level with not having one. you could do it with 0 fairly easily. Kamms Corner you will need 1 + Where ever you go.......Rent for a year, rents in Cleveland are not terrible. Ohio city feels like it is in a city. Transit, you can walk to do most things. Kamms corners feels like a suburb. You walk your dog and drive to do pretty much anything, even if you might possibly be within technical walking distance of it. I am not familiar with Portland or St. Johns. Does that feel like a city or like a suburb? Are you interested in transit or do you want 2 cars with a garage that can hold them? Kamms corner is not a bad place if you want that suburban feel, but still have houses with character IE Pre 1960 interesting non cookie cutter developments. But then I would tell you to live in Berea.....easy access to the airport and the Tri-C campus in Parma.

Very important question. Where will you be working? You don't have to name the company(ies) but where is it (are they) located. The best place will depend on where you need to be every day. The answer is very different if you have to get to the airport on a regular basis, working for the Cleveland Clinic, or working at the Casino. Neighborhoods/ inner ring suburbs that have "walkability" in no particular order Little Italy Tremont Shaker Square Ohio City The heights (Shaker, Cleveland, University) Lakewood Detroit Shoreway Downtown So where you will be working and what you consider an amenity and culture will need to be shared. Dog Park....this one is evident. Tremont has a dog park. as does Lakewood (on the western Edge on the border with Rocky River) But there are plenty of parks or places to walk a dog everywhere with the possible exception of downtown. Museum? Live music? Live theater? Movies? Grocery store? pharmacy? restaurants? bars? hardware store? transit access?

A pumping station, if I remember correctly. I thought I heard on a good time III cruise that it was the residence of some famous artist....not to be quoted for attribution.

They did a good job in hiding all the kids' toys in one of those townhouses. I have a townhouse...similar setup. no kids. would probably work though, 2400 square feet ( what I have in mine) is more than enough for 4 people...had 4 people in 1200 sq feet with 1/2 a finished basement back in the day, no worries.

gotta plan http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/4810-Tillman-Ave_Cleveland_OH_44102_M32490-60741 check that out..... a little further from the train but you get everything else. For 239,000

I live a few units down from Dergon Darkhelm. About 30 feet from the tracks. My report is the same. Windows closed (new triple panes last year) you don't notice. On the deck, you notice.

'or thought, on balance, the potential positives outweigh the potential negatives.' Parking lot developers give them envelopes of cash and/or campaign contributions. All voters do is 1) bit$% if they live in cleveland and care 2) Bit&* that the whole city should be torn down for parking/make more faster highways if they live in the burbs.

what side of town are you on? http://www.meetup.com/clevelandsoccer/members/ there are a couple of force fitness places that have leagues and pickup games, I have played at the one in Rocky River...they usually have an "open" time, you go pay a couple bucks and run with whomever else shows up. ---edited the link

Yea KJP, you want to ask the question after they sell off the only place that you could possibly put the Bus layover/shelter to a parking lot owner. Build the whole new lashup..... Then they have to buy it back at 8X the cost after they realize they need it back.

Mayday...agree. Highway access from Tremont cant be beat. You have all of them. 490, 176, 71, 90 all right there and 77 only seems far because all of the others are so close. The highway access is superior and the transit access is inferior to about the same degree which leads me to..... Disagree on OC and DS having it a "little better" for transit access. Tremont has 1 bus (81), that makes a meandering trip (takes 20 minutes to go 3 miles) down town every 30 mins during the day and about 50 minutes outside of the normal work day and is the only bus through the neighborhood. D/S has the 45 which is once an hour and the 26 that runs every 20 minutes (30 mins off peak). The Red line is also 1/2 a mile from the center of Detroit Shoreway ... 65th and Detroit. The closest train stop to Tremont is in the heart of OC. 1 mile from the edge of Tremont and not a walk that I would call scenic or inducing of feelings of safety...Under the highway over the abbey rd bridge..that walk is brutal in every sense of the word. I have done it. I have walked the 81 (old one that went across the Lorain carnagie bridge then the abbey bridge ) route and made it home to tremont (3 miles) without ever being able to get on the bus. I would only do this coming/going from a tribe Day game, I would never ever ever walk this route at night. Lorain and 25th has 7 buses go past it. Detroit and 25th has 8. D/S is better. OC is so much better it is night and day. In the next 10 minutes from the time I type this google maps shows a train and 2 buses. From the northwest corner of lincoln park I am told to walk a mile and then get on the next bus/train in OC or I can wait for 20 minutes for the 81. Tremont USED to have it almost as good as D/S when you could get the 35 (I think) at the corner of lincoln park and the circulators were running. But not now, you can wait an hour to get a bus to or from a ball game. about the same amount of time it would take to walk the 3 miles. It got so bad that I would often have to call my "cab guy" to make sure I could make it downtown in time to see the tribe play. One of the things I took into consideration and a factor in moving from Tremont over to D/S was how bad the RTA had become in getting me anywhere from Tremont. Higway access 1) Tremont 3) Ohio city 9) Detroit shoreway Transit 1) Ohio city---this could quite possibly be the second most serviced transit location next to Downtown. 5) Detroit shoreway 12) Tremont---this might tie with St Johns Shoreway hospital in Westlake for the frequency of service.

Yes and no KJP...I have traveled a lot for work. Cleveland is blessed. most places do not have the highway grid that we do. 90 dipping down to go around the great lakes and 80 give us 2 major E/W 71/77 gives us 2 major N/S along with 480/490/271 Jennings (176) Route 8, the west shoreway. Go to a place like Seattle for instance.....1 highway N/S I5 1 E/W I90 New York, Chicago, Boston, Philly, DC, LA all their own level of Pain....but the CLE has it a lot better than most places of comparable size. Houston, Dallas, Seattle, Milwaukee, St Louis, Charlotte, San Antonio, Tulsa Ok, Jackson Ms, Minneapolis..are places that I have had to navigate for a week or more. CLE has it much better, mostly because we have options and alternates. Seattle to Tacoma is about the same distance as Cle\lakewod to Oberlin. Cle-Oberlin has 2 routes you can take SEA-TAC has one.......and it is not pretty to drive the 5 Ever let alone rush hour.

All routes from the location I suggested come in within a mile and a minute of each other. 90, 480. I do not know how to do the fancy picture embedding. Searched for it once but no luck. Detroit Rd and Wooster Rd in Rocky River are about 29 miles and 35 minutes give or take. You are also 10 miles and 20 minutes (approximately--google says 17 but that is not accounting for rush hour) to downtown with 2 public transport options that run right by your door (26 and 55) and 2 paths you could take driving...90 or clifton to the shoreway (this would probably take about the same amount of time, but you would avoid the highway and the construction that is impeding progress into downtown, of course a whole bunch of other people will be doing this as well) Looks like the bus would be somewhere between 30-45 minutes from there to downtown. the 55 goes to Tubbs Jones transit center, the 26 ends at 13th and Payne. And pretty much everything you need within an easy walk. The best Cleveland proper neighborhood would be Tremont..it has the best access to 176 (to 480) 71 (which meets 480 by the airport) and 90. It is also a great neighborhood. Ohio city would be the second best. Westpark around Kamms is also not bad. But has a more suburban feel than OC or tremont. Tremont to Oberlin is 37-41 miles and 41-47 minutes

Rocky River is not a terrible compromise..or the area of Lakewood directly across the Detroit Rd bridge. look around the intersection of Detroit Rd and Wooster. Old Downtown rocky river is very similar to old downtown Hudson. The train station used to be across the street form the old Westlake Hotel (now condos) puts you close to 90 and close to the 26 (down detroit) and the 55 (on detroit then clifton through lakewood). some nice restaurants and bars in Rocky River clustered around that intersection tartine, salmon daves, an italian one --name escapes me, what used to be maxs deli same deal different name and then another decent set across the bridge in Lakewood Three birds and decent bars around the corner, riverwood harry buffalo ...You are also right on the metro parks. There is a heinins full service grocery store, bagel joint, a gym, CVS all within a reasonable walk or a 3 minute drive on your way to or from the highway on your way to oberlin. This is will much nicer than westlake.