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The fact that they need their own block club for one street (as though their needs and interests are so fundamentally different from those of the nearly identical surrounding streets) says a lot about them.

Just infuriating that they would rather have empty vacant lots than new people living in their community.

This is not at all an exciting design.... But, on the upside, a 500-ish foot building that looks like that is certainly going to look big, look different than the other buildings in the area, and add something new and large to the skyline. I continue to worry that the street-level of this building and others may feel dead though. The similar building in OKC doesn't interact with the street that much.

I'm happy with this overall. It's a very large project seeing it now that they have started digging and is going to really improve that intersection.

I wish they weren’t keeping the gas station but very good news otherwise. That building currently gives a bad first impression for people coming downtown from the highway.

To be clear, these aren't sub-divisions being proposed. I was being facetious about building sub-divisions around Cleveland due to the sheer amount of open space around the city. These are single family homes mixed into a neighborhood that already has lots of single family homes. The picture just looks like a house on a street, with a small garage and a person riding a bike. This isn't some McMansion they are proposing. The spot where the first group of these is going is a giant vacant lot right now. At least half (if not more) of the lots on 66th between Superior and Chester are vacant, and most of the occupied lots are single family homes of various sizes and eras, so this isn't some dramatic departure from the typical housing in the area. I'm not sure I get what you are saying about Ohio City and Tremont. Imagine if reasonably priced single family homes had been built over the past 30 years in Tremont and Ohio City? Lots of areas in Tremont and Ohio City are single family homes and many of them were built over the past 30 years. Some of the houses are ugly. Other ones aren't. The houses in Tremont and Ohio City probably seem like a better investment for those area because they were more expensive of houses. I don't think Hough has a market for $500k plus custom homes like those neighborhoods do, but that doesn't mean that builders shouldn't build moderately priced for-sale housing in Hough. There is a need for moderate priced for-sale housing and these homes seem geared at that market.

I meant Hough in my comment. Not sure why my hands typed Glenville. You are right that Glenville is already pretty dense, and will only get more so with all of the planned developments.

If we were running out of land in Cleveland, I'd be a lot pickier about what got built on the remaining lots. I'm just happy that there seem to be enough families who want to live in Cleveland now that someone could propose building 100 suburban style houses. You could drop multiple sub-divisions into the empty land around the east side and we'd barely notice there is so much open space. Density is what makes cities go, but even the mostly densely populated cities in the US have large areas with more suburban feeling single family homes. There are plenty of parts of Philadelphia and New York City that are like that, even though most people think of the very dense parts of those cities. Density also follows people. If hundreds of new families move into Glenville, more dense city things are likely to follow because there will be the population to support them.

The number of buildings over that height in Philadelphia is actually pretty impressive given that buildings over City Hall didn't get approved by the city until the mid-1980s. Philly missed out on the various earlier skyscraper booms in the 20th century, and although much larger than Cleveland, it was in many ways a struggling city until somewhat recently.

This is a great chart. Regarding Pittsburgh, in addition to having more large buildings, the fact that the downtown area is more compressed and doesn't have giant open parking lots and entire blocks taken up by faceless parking garages also contributes to the urban environment.

Plus if you factor in the fact that you could have lower transportation costs by using public transportation to work, rather than driving from wherever in the burbs and then paying for parking, the location cost is even lower.

Arguments about the lack of parking never need to be logical in Cleveland to be made.

The combination of this, Stoneleigh, Church & State, the Viaduct, and Market Square will make for much more impressive crossings of the Lorain and Detroit bridges from downtown.

Great to hear that. I wasn't sure how those were doing. Good sign for more residential development in the area.

Does anyone know when Stoneleigh is going to break ground? They have the site for the building staked out, but no activity since that happened.

I like this sort of project. It will keep activity in the area during the day and evening with the combination of apartments and a medical office. We also have way too much empty land for every project to be tall and dense.

Is Harness Cycle closing permanently? Or is this a sub-let situation while exercise classes are hard to conduct?

Just absurd that they would block productive development like this. These are townhomes that aren't really anymore dense than other homes in the area. It's not like they are building a Hong Kong style micro apartment tower.

The church addition has all of the administrative offices and meeting rooms for the church, so it is an actively used space downtown. Not something that should be torn down. But it would be cool though to see Old Stone redevelop the site with a new administrative office building on the first several floors, with an affordable housing/workforce house building above it. Commercial space for some community-minded organizations would also be fitting. The funding for that sort of building would be a challenge though.

My wife and I have done this a few times the past few months and it was a lot of fun each time. A nice way to see different hotel properties and also to experience the city in a different way. But it will be harder to do as the weather gets colder and there are less safe outdoor dining options.

Those give some nice density to the area, while still having the same look and feel as the other surrounding houses.

That was my biggest fear buying something that had been renovated and I ended up doing a new construction because of that. Although new constructions are not without their issues either if the builder isn't up to par.

Disappointing, although can't say that I'm shocked. I am glad that NRP is still going ahead with so many affordable projects throughout the city because they are badly needed, but this is a big setback for Thunderbird. They probably would have gone ahead with this if the SW R&D had ended up on the peninsula.

I agree. I think a tower would be out of place in that location. It serves as a nice transition from single family homes into the market district. I also don't see that location easily supporting lots of retail. I had been hearing that late 2020 was the planned groundbreaking, so maybe the cleveland.com article is wrong?

The potential for another building on 25th is exciting. I think dropping more residents right around 25th will help a lot with sustaining businesses in the neighborhood, especially along the lower end of 25th. The during the week v. weekend business disparity will be narrowed a lot with more people living right there.