CleCaneFan

Beat the Yanks in the ALCS and potentially the Mets in the WS and own NY forever….Saturday afternoon daydreaming😁

If a hypothetical Brightline 3C route were to terminate at the airport, how would westbound Brightline trains get to Toledo/Chicago etc if this were to be its “Hub”?

Forgive me for cluttering this topic up with history (if there’s a forum discussion elsewhere that focuses on this I’ll head there) but to the best of my knowledge all of the taconite inbound to Whiskey Island arrives via 1000’ lakers and is then trans loaded to shorter river-class vessels for the trip upriver to Cliffs’ BF’s; @KJP does any taconite leave WI via rail anymore? Other than Edgar Thomson in Pittsburgh which is supplied via the Bessemer & LE from Conneaut what BF’s still exist in the legacy steel-making valleys (Warren, Steubenville and Weirton all gone now)? *One aside related to the pic above is that I believe the NYC had no ore-unloading ops in Cleveland; they had an enormous operation in Ashtabula.

For those other forumers following this the fantastic pic above from @KJP shows predominantly NYC and some Pennsy lines on our lakefront that were devoted primarily to the outbound shipment of coal to Canada and the upper Great Lakes. The structures on the piers were likely McMyler (based in Bedford!)car dumpers that could lift an entire rail car of coal up and dump it into a chute that extended into the hold of a lake vessel below. These dumpers were prevalent in Lake Erie port cities and elsewhere until the advent of more automated conveyor-oriented loaders.

I should have specified our “steel industry heritage here in Cleveland”. All of that lakefront activity above had little to do with Otis/J&L; Corrigan-McKinney/Republic; Upson/Republic; ASW Central Furnaces all upriver. As for the Cleveland Rolling Mills in Newburgh I’m not clear where the ore came from for its iron& steel making operations, though I’d guess the lakefront. I believe it’s blast furnace shut down in the early 30’s.

My intent was to dispel the notion that our “industrialized” lakefront was inseparable from our steel industry heritage; that’s not true.

Yes, that’s correct and I neglected to remember the original Otis plant; but my point stands that the vast majority of Cleveland’s steel “mills” as Erocc mentioned weren’t served by our lakefront. The Whiskey Island PRR docks served Ytown and PA, the Erie RR Nypano docks went east, all the rest of our steel industry was upriver and not dependent on the lakefront.

The steel industry in Cleveland from the beginning has always been in the Flats upriver and it’s iron ore was delivered upriver to them, the coal/coke arrived via rail; the lakefront ore docks delivered ore to mills in the Mahoning & Western PA districts. Our steel industry here had very little of nothing to do with our lakefront.

Browns pulled one out yesterday and that Garrett dude looked pretty good.

Ashland has come a long way in the last 4-5 yrs with more infill development proposed. Mt Vernon Millersburg Love Sandusky! Port Clinton Delaware

Yeah, he didn’t mention those; replacing both would probably be tens of millions$, though maybe you could get away with just building one, idk.

I’ll play along: I agree this is a total long shot to happen but the leftover river channel could then be narrowed into a canal and collision bend could be appropriately narrowed as well with more water-front land to take advantage of and much more accessible to whatever the Riverview phase of TC Bedrock can achieve. It’s not a total loss IMO IF it is deemed necessary by the Port. Maybe someone more savvy with Google Maps or whatnot could come up with something along those lines. *I am in no way advocating for this proposal, just pointing out how it wouldn’t be a total loss.

Full disclosure: I was 14 in the early 90’s and 1) there were no Tribe players worth buying jerseys for and 2) my parents couldn’t have afforded them if there were lol

Why were you “forced” to buy a new one? How old are you? Lol I just shake my head at adults wearing custom $$ jerseys of players no longer with that team; I was like that when I was 14 lol. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Not my 1st choice but it’s not bad… i do agree the font and baseball logo need work. Unpopular take: I am glad the Block C is going away, I was never a fan of that; bring back the 70’s-style C. Ultimately I’m with @KJP, get me some hitters and win games🤷‍♂️. Anyone else think the next step involves putting the team up for sale? Or wouldn’t the smarter move have been allowing a new owner to name them? Idk

Especially if the stadium isn’t guaranteed to stay; what exactly is the Haslam’s play here IF the stadium does move? They don’t own any of this land so...? I just don’t understand how the Haslam’s benefit from all this (and I love the plan) if the stadium/Browns aren’t guaranteed to stay down there. Do they have a lease agreement with the city on the land that Pace had?

I think the answer to these type of questions now is “Atlanta”.

A new JC no matter where it goes is going to require some manner of structured parking; why not replace a parking lot (the pit) with structured parking that would serve the new JC M-F as well as the stadium on game days and it’s close enough to serve the FEB as well. Put a green cap on it and it’s win-win-win-win😁.

Idk, as cool as inter-city passenger rail returning to TC would be I’m really hoping that a multi-modal station as part of a Mall extension land bridge to the lakefront completing Burnham’s vision is executed in my lifetime. I just think that project would be way more transformative for downtown and the connection to the lakefront than bringing trains back into TC would be.🤷‍♂️

Welp, I’m guessing it’s safe to say no one was pounding the table for the jail to stay downtown but could a theoretical JC at Ft Huntington build a garage/service facility in the Pit and cap it with a green roof and connect it underground to a new tower?

I don’t have the motive to go back and search for just what the sq footage requirements are for this new jail but would the Pit site allow it to spread out enough to “cap” it with a green roof ala the convention center? Have a multi-story jail structure face W 3rd with an entrance for the public and sprawl the rest of it across the pit with a green roof at grade or close to it with the elevation at Lakeside. New Ft Huntington park on the roof?

If the jail were built in the “Pit” you could conceivably have several levels of secure parking and loading/unloading areas out of public view along with an underground connection to a Courthouse Tower at Ft Huntington park....possible? The jail would be served by RTA for visitors and whatnot, but no vehicles would be required to shuttle prisoners back and forth; that has to be a substantial savings.

I didn’t see this coming but ^this^ version of a new JC>>SW’s hq🤷‍♂️. Me likey a lot.

@KJP, thanks for the update but I’m curious your jobs breakdown had no mention of any Valspar jobs from Minny coming here; 25 from Chicago but no mention of Valspar?

@KJP, I missed any mention of SW’s training center & rumored extended-stay hotel in your latest article; is one/both included in that tower or somewhere else?