Oxford19

Oh, that's right the conspiracy theories in the politics forum yet the posts still remain...hmm. Anyway, the merger involving CTS, RTA, and others may indeed been extensively discussed yet I was asking which pre-RTA merger communities' tax bases collapsed as you stated. That's all yet you're avoiding the question though... Post-merger RTA tanked, now in its 5th decade of free fall, so the fact that someone says it's the worst thing to happen to CLE transit isn't exactly misplaced despite the fact that pre-merger indy transit communities' tax base did not collapse.

I did answer in food faith then you respond with the above and avoid my other response? Conspiracy theory here is that the communities' transit that merged with RTA had its tax base collapse. Please name them.

Didn't say RTA is funded by Cleveland alone...and who mentioned returning bus lines to Garfield Heights? Huh? RTA recovery Step 1: fire India Birdsong

My reply was a bit facetious, but now that you mentioned it, what communities that ran independent transit systems collapsed? Brecksville and North Olmsted's tax base collapsed? Garfield Hts, Maple Hts, and Euclid took tax base hits, but collapsed? Cleveland was in free fall population collapse prior to CTS becoming RTA and has yet to bottom out from its now 7 full decades of, and at least the midpoint 2020s, of population loss. If any of the cities involved with the RTA merger had its tax base collapse, it's Cleveland. Although CLE has recovered some its tax base, it's not because of, or even a partly due to, its transit system. I've heard points made that had Cleveland built its 1950s subway, its decline may not have been as steep. Instead we got the cheap and easy Red Line (with 1 downtown hub station buried under TC which has now come back to haunt Cleveland), followed by the failed Water Front Line extension, and the promising, yet disappointing BRT/HealthLine (after waiting 25 years for an innovative transit line for the Dual Hubs of Downtown-University Circle. Hell, the WFL can't even be depended on during its limited runs for 8+ Browns home games. Then again, RTA is not dependable. Btw, I just noticed there's a ''No Politics'' below my screen name as I am ''banned'' from current events for some reason...lol..yet a discussion of CLE RTA is rife with political issues lol

Same as independent transit systems in Cuyahoga County did pre-unified system, just like the CTA...those were the days of great transit in Cleveland. Current GM is out of her league.

Those were the days of great transit in Cleveland.

Cleveland's BRT/HealthLine...from Silver rated to Bronze rated. Decades waiting for an updated system to serve Euclid Avenue, from a subway to light-rail to a lackluster BRT line that was dropped to Bronze level by an incompetent Cleveland Municipal Judge. No way would RTA challenge her inept and illogic ruling. What's up with no signal priority on Euclid Avenue; not that it really matters now given the downgraded service thanks to said judge. RTA will go from swirling to down the drain unless Cleveland gets a competent GM and stops with the "personal box checking'' being qualifications.

Yes, way better than RTA's 1970s color scheme. The MTA signs etc look great.

Soon any rail will be ''special occasion'' service. Send that RTA GM back to Nashville; oh wait, she got run out of that no transit city and was brought to Cleveland to turn things around based on her ''experience''. Experience at what? Promoting a transit initiative in Nashville to create a real transit that failed and RTA picked her up for some reason to turn around a large transit system. Something is wrong here...but no one cares and will not take the risk of criticizing India Birdsong. I knew she was bad news when she pulled that early maternity leave that forced RTA to amend its contract. Birdsong now makes $335,000. CLE needs, among many things, a competent transit leader.

Talk about in-fill. Next-up: SE corner W 9/St Clair; I believe this parking crater 2nd last standing building was where Maxwell's until the ''fire'' took it out. Really opened that parking crater.

If a west side extension out Detroit Avenue is included...they will come. West-to-Downtown Loop-East to Shaker Square/Van Aken. Under the Superior Avenue Bridge out Detroit Avenue at least to W 98th Station.

That's not the mayor of Chicago but, regardless, simultaneously hilarious and cringe. An opening prayer from a $9.95 Reverand for a press conference...lol

And folks still promote late night WFL service...lol

At a minimum, there needs to be a loop into downtown without that there's no ''or'' to Euclid, for some reason this extension idea is mentioned. If there's downtown loop, any extension should be west out Detroit Avenue. Regardless, extensions east or west aren't happening; maybe a loop through downtown could happen.

Then the City of Cleveland has to make a lakefront dome stadium work for the owners and squeeze the best deal out it for the city.