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Yeah, I thought The Avenue's issues were rooted in the mortgage-financial collapse 10+ years ago. Since then, new condo construction hasn't been what it was in many cities. I know the Stonebridge Development in FWB had construction related litigation and caught up in the financial downturn as well, but its timing was better than The Avenue.

This should be posted in that ''toxic masculinity'' thread as well..lol...thought this was all a big no-no now...lol.... and of corse it’s a white male...lol. Real surprised this pic got “likes” here...

Baby boomers are going outta here partying...lol. Besides, boomers are empty nesting and have the $$ to buy downtown as well as spend $ downtown. CLE needs boomers $$ as well.

I'll take anything that revives downtown retail life....

A 3,000 car parking garage and tower in one....geez, and on the jacobs lot...can't imagine that even being considered. The AmeriTrust Tower plans had the parking garage on the west side of W 3rd Street, now known as the Weston-WHD lots.

This whole SW new headquarters building is a 30+ year ''rumor'' complete with proposals etc. It's an old story. Currently we have RFP for the end of the year for a new tower, no make that a 300,00 sf R&D project, with the ''family'' wanting everything in Brecksville. Hope to see a supertall SWH building on Public Square but would not dismiss anything about SW moving to Brecksville or some other suburban location. Eaton left recently and Progressive isn't planning on moving HQ downtown again. Then we had the downtown Medical Mutual HQ building rumor mill... Bottom line is SW will do whatever is in its and shareholders' best financial interest.

Wow, 50 years since the "big'' '69 River Fire. Just one of several historic and cultural anniversaries from the summer of 1969. Thanks Randy Newman for this 1972 tune...set in a video from early 2016, a year that immensely helped Cleveland's Burning River image.

There used to be a diner in this station and a huge parking lot full of cars stacked up on the sides to fit in on any weekday. Used to be a really busy station. It needs businesses around it, not so much an apartment building or ''condos'' and creating jobs and businesses people will go to along all along the line, especially downtown.

Thanks! I forgot about this project. Amazing that this area and mid town are seeing this type of development.

Dang. Still that long off?

Been wondering when this project was going to start...looking forward to it.

So basically you don’t want townhouses in downtown Cleveland. Some people want to live in a townhouse and not a rental building or even in a condo, the few that exist downtown. Maybe you want a more intimate setting...where would that be downtown? A variety is good so I say build these townhomes there for the people that want them.

Not a maybe on Philly, it’s as dense as Chicago and way more dense than Los Angeles. Of course any city can have very dense neighborhoods, but the issue is cities and not neighborhoods.

It's even worse, Chesterfield is 50+ years and Park Center is about 46 or so years. It would be great if the E 12th Street residential corridor gets completed.

Yes, a definite wavy pattern in this pic; almost looks like the pic is fuzzy.

Dang, I like the wrap that’s left on this building lol.

Got it.

I thought this section of tracks et al were rebuilt just a few years ago...hmm.

I'm kinda liking that...are those white panels permanent I wonder? Don't recall seeing this panel schematic in the renderings, but I like how this looks at least today that is.

or maybe he's the average trendy city dweller, on his phone most of the time, social setting or not..lol...must be cuz he found something interesting to share...lol. Maybe he's taking a selfie...another one..lol At a minimum, this pic shouldn't have been used in promoting the social benefits of city living...in order to avoid a discussion about why this guy is on his phone.

Yet there is someone, even in this ''cities are social places'' pic, on his phone...lol...''living in isolation''. Besides, Richard Florida is a bit ''yesterday''; he has also recently come up with a ''beautiful city'' theory.

So, if SW does build a supertall on PS, then at least part of the WHD lots will be in play as well, besides a parking garage. That works.

Right, I get some of my MSAs and, in this case Cleveland's CSA, overlap at times...so Akron MSA grew by 478! Even better. Thanks!

This building has progressed enough to allow the build-out of the lower floors to get moving and head upwards. Normal.

Well if you take the 5 county CLE MSA net gains v. loss, it's not a huge overall loss; under 1,000. Same with Akron 3-county MSA. Since there's a ? not sure what you're getting at with that.