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Below is an email sent to me: I am not sure who Paul L. Cox is. I got this through the grape vine. ohio residency law upheld All Interested Parties: On February 16th, 2007 the Allen County Common Pleas Court upheld the constitutionality of the Ohio Employee residency law. The Court rejected the City's home rule claim. The Court ruled that the state statute superseded the Lima City local ordinance and the City of Lima could not invalidate the State Statute. Nevertheless we expect an appeal by the City since it has long been our expectation that this issue will have to be settled by the Ohio Supreme Court. Our advice to members seeking to relocate is still the same. Wait until a definitive ruling from the Supreme Court before you move and put your career at risk. Paul L. Cox

Just a little fact regarding the helecopter: It is only in the sky 5 days during the week, twice a day for 2 hour flights. The hours of opperation are something like 8pm-10pm and 12am-2am. That's it. But,,,,,,,,,,, it's better than nothing.

#116 today on Maud & Crumb.

I would love to see this Kucinich run for Pres. and Tubbs-Jones for VP,, for only one reason. Can you imagine the SNL spoofs on those two? Kucinich with his lack of size, his sweet hair, and his manly voice. Tubbs-Jones with her yellow eyes, purple gums, and sweet hair!!!! What a combination. Only the finest of the finest represent Ohio

Good luck on the job search. Don't make the mistake and apply for any City of Cleveland job...... It's the same thing.... A few (our large number of City Council members) gets it guaranteed quality raises annually, while the stiffs get 0%,0% and 3%... or worse.

To answer the question asked, and nothing else---- I am a proud republican.

Sorry----- SEPTIC..... I had to look that up. I always thought it was spelled with a "c".

Here is my tip if you are planning on moving to Seven Hills. ---- If this even would matter to you---. Most houses in Seven Hills are city sewage, but there are houses still on ceptic tanks. I was prepared to make an offer on a beautiful house in Seven Hills until I found out it was ceptic. If this matters to you, make sure you ask. The vast majority of houses in Cleveland and surrounding suburbs are not ceptic. In my experience, Seven Hills is the one suburb I make sure I check.

but knock it off with the idea that Clevelanders don't support cops. I just got done watching 19 news at 11:00pm. Ed Gallek just did a story on "where is the outcry from the community". As a matter of fact, he asked "Where is Art McCoy and his bullhorn?" He interviewed that self proclaimed "community" activist. Of course, Art had no answers. Ed Gallek asked where is the community rallies? He asked why when the police shoot a person, there are demonstrations throughout Cleveland. It seems Ed Gallek must have read my previous post. So, NO, I wont knock it off about the non-support of cops. I too support cops. But people like myself and others don't make the news. Policies and procedures are to appease those that complain. Those that complain get the media attention. Media attentions leads many to believe-- Right or wrong. I believe 100% in everything I've posted.

JDD941--- If I ever meet you, the first round of beer is on me!! I agree crime has been up for a decade. How long has it been since cops have been getting bashed in the media? How much crap can a person take before he/she just does the bare minimum to get by?? I will predict this now. Some way, some how, this asshole who shot and killed the police officer will someway be depicted as a victim. Also, where is good old Art McCoy with his bullhorn now??? Where are the citizens crying and falling down to the ground??? Where is the mayor holding a conference to change the police policies??? Where is the NAACP crying racism (a white male police officer and a minority where involved after all) ??? Oh, silly me. Some working, tax paying, white male, police officer, family man, no criminal record, was not "just about to turn his life around" because his life was on the right path, got killed. Just wait until some shiftless dirtbag forces the police to shoot him. All that this officer is missing will amazingly appear. Further, I would like to offer my deepest sympathies for the family of the fallen officer. I would also like to say "THANK YOU VERY MUCH" to the officer that gave his life.

I did not go to Case. I will say the stadium is sweet and it is very cheap to see a college football game. You will never have a a problem getting seats. I recommend it.

Lets see, violent crime is up and now people are taking notice. Well, this comes after YEARS of mayors calling officers racist, a mayor laying off 250 cops, councilmen calling officers murderers, self proclaimed community activists chanting "no justice, no peace", citizens faulting officers before the facts were determined, Media crying "driving while black", officers being handcuffed by policies to appease the complainers in the community, politicians using threats to reprimand officers for political gain, and so on....... So I say quit complaining about the uprise in violent crime. Have a party because no officer "murdered" a citizen who "was just about to turn his life around." Or celebrate because no officer "chased" a felon into a pole. Or be happy that that guy who ran the traffic light next to your kid did not get a ticket because he was driving a nice car. Stop looking at the bad side. You asked for it, you're getting it.

JJD941--- I agree. 8SshadesofGray--- E.33 and Payne was my first neighborhood. I moved from there, but it was my parents decision. Excuse me for my previous statement. With that being said, I have a hard time understanding your position. Robclevoh--- I now live in the South Hills section of OB. The area is still great. Very little, if any residents who do not earn there homes. But, OB is more than South Hills. Also, I do agree with the "just don't move" mentallity. Although, when I am responsible for my kids, thier well being comes before my stuborness.

8ShadesofGray---- what cushy suburb do live in exactly? Because I know that nobody who lives in Cleveland could think that way. There's what looks good on paper, then there's the real world. Also, I don't need a study to tell me if section 8 increases incodents of crime. I have moved three times to three different neighborhoods in Cleveland. I know why, I lived it. This, Old Brooklyn, is the last straw for me. When on any given Tuesday afternoon, there are more adults sitting on thier porches than there are adults at work, I'm out.

I agree about the broken window thing. I guess I was being a little narrow minded---- just relating to my own experiences. My own personal knowledge regarding section 8.--- The rent is government paid. Translation, the working tax payers foot the bill. A person is to pay a portion of the rent. I have seen the renter's portion be as low as $2 a month------- In this particular case, the renter was evicted after not paying her potion for two years. That's $24!!!!!!!!! Such low portions are not uncommon. The house is to pass an inspection for housing codes. In a major city, they are rarely enforced. Landlords get to collect a pay check every month. They are in it for the money. Who isn't if you own rental property??!! But, the landlords who live in the suburbs have no stake in the city neighborhoods. Who cares what quality of person they rent to, the money is the same. I wish the city would enforce housing code violations. They could handle it the same way landlord/tennant court does. Intercept the rent and only release the money to the landlord when the codes are up to par. That would include the outside appearance of the property. Furthermore, and going a little futher in depth, I wish anyone convicted of violent crimes, drugs, etc., would have the "benefits" the government provides revoked. At the very least, that may be some incentive to stay on the right path.

^ Well, crime is one thing. It's everywhere. It may be covered up better in certain areas or exploited in certain areas. We also own a small house on 10 acres in Newcommerstown. I have had 3 house windows broken out there as opposed to 0 on my two houses in Old Brooklyn. My problem with section 8 is allowing people to live with no accountability. It shows in the houses which in turn destroys solid neighborhoods. Nobody wants to live next to a messy property. Think about this: We (Americans) live in the only country on the face of the planet where one can choose to never work a day of his life and still be obese. Now I realize someone is going to ask "what does that have to do with section 8?" Everything. We allow people to exist with no consequences nor responsibilities. It shows in every aspect.

MyTwoSense, I don't have the facts on paper I assume you are looking for. But, I do live in Old Brooklyn. This is my third house in Old Brooklyn in which I have lived/do live. I also have a rental property in Old Brooklyn--- NO SECTION 8. I know of landlords, watch the papers, and call on every "for rent" sign around my houses. Old Brooklyn now is exactly the same as the other neighborhoods I lived in within the City of Cleveland. They never were rich neighborhoods, but they were solid. Then, folks who choose not to work came in, were allowed to live for free or close to free, and lived the same neighborhood myself and my parents earned. The working folks left after seeing their block go down hill. Old Brooklyn will be another one of those neighborhoods within a decade. Call on some "for rent" signs yourself. See how many of those phone numbers you dial have a 330 or 440 area code.

Deaconess has reopened. I'm not sure to what capacity, but it is open. And you wanted to know what is going on in Old Brooklyn,,,,, just more suburban landlords renting out more section 8 housing. But hey, it's not their neighborhood.

I do know a few friends who did have thier houses built in Cleveland stricktly due to the tax abatement. They could not afford the payment in a suburb for the same house. Further, the tax abatement is only for the structure built on the land. The City of Cleveland does estimate the worth of the unused land and home owners do pay property tax on that portion of land. I have to think the abatement is appealing. I just wonder what will happen in 15 years (when the abatement runs out) when the existing owner has a huge increase in monthly payments, and/or perspective buyers have no insentive.

I find it ironic that City Council laid off hundreds of safety force workers and offered the wokers that did not get laid off a "slap in the face" contact. I know the CDP got a three year contract of 0%, 0%, and 3%. CFD has been without a contract for a while. Other City divisions were given pathetic contracts and suffered lay offs as well. The same "leaders" (and belive me, I use this term loosely) did not loose one member to a lay off and still got thier 6% annual raise (which they voted this annual raise into city charted so it is 6% every year) along with the other perks. What a bunch of hypocrites. These same people cry the city is broke and can't afford to pay thier workers a resonable raise. They should take a look in the mirror. A City like L.A. has over 1 million residents and less City Council members than Cleveland. Cleveland only has about 480,000 residents. I wish Cleveland City Council would be drastically reduced and recieve the same insulting raises they give to the real workers of the city. It makes my sick to hear my neighborhood fire station may be closing. The police have much less officers. We no longer have leaf pick-up. The bus rides to and from school are less. Security in the schools suck. I can continue on. But those elitist in city hall have not suffered one bit. I'm gonna quit now because I'm getting pissed.

bizbiz---- In particular, E.71st between St. Clair and Peck. Now just because that is pin pointed, it doesn't mean the activity stays put. It does wander in each direction.

Whenever someone has a bad experience in any area, the common complaint is "The police need to address this problem." Allow me to break down that particular intersection. That intersection is in the 5th District and the zone would be 511 zone. There is one car that is assigned to partol that zone. That zone extends N/S from the Lake Erie to Superior Ave, E/W from E.55 to MLK. The patrol car is assigned an aray dispatch calls. There are assignments given to the officers from supervisors at the 5th District. There are other areas that need to be dealt with within that zone. There are at least 4 established gangs within that zone--- that doesn't count the "wannabes". It may take officers a couple hours for the required paperwork involved with an arrest. If you ever get the chance to observe that intersection, just wait for the time when all things seem to be quiet and out of nowhere, you hear loud whistling--- or something similar. Within no time, a police car will be visible. That intersection has a lookout 24/7. I am sure there are people on this site (myself included) who live in a low crime area of the city and complain that they never see the police. Why? Because the police regularly patrol the areas that need patroling. That intersection included. The police are doing there job. The police are handcuffed by layoffs and liberal laws. In addition, I highly doubt you told the police you had a gun stuffed in your face and thier respose was "You shouldn't have been down there." If that's true, why didn't you make a formal complaint? Did you call 911? If so, it's on record-- that will affirm your alligations. if not, when and where did you come in contact with a police officer? That too should be on record. Make your formal complaint. Or, did you only complain about this problem on this site?

Here comes the devil's advocate. I am not gay, not a Democrate, not a homosexual, I do not live on a farm but rather in a liberal City- Cleveland. I will say I am against gays adopting children. As for people being gay, I don't care. But just like telemarketers and religious fanatics, don't push your lifestyle on me. Whatever you do in your own life (within reason) is your business and not mine. But, when a child is added to the equasion, that in my opinion is different. Now, I am not going to argue if a gay couple is capable of raising a child. Yes, as long as they are good individules, they are capable. But, along with the slew of problems kids face these days, being raised by a gay couple just throws fuel on the fire. This is not LaLa land and I beg to differ with anyone who thinks the child will not be relentlessly ridiculed. That is just reality. Why would you willingly subject any child to that. Now another issue that is just my opinion------- absolutely no scientific "back up". I think that a person is born with thier sexual oriantation. Why? I'll use myself as an example. Nobody ever told me to be attracted to females. I just am. Nobody told me to be attracted to brunetts. I just am. The list goes on. I assume it would be the same for a gay person. A child may be born one way but would learn, by watching gay parents, something different. It would be similar to a child who grows up watching his dad beat his mom-- the child may follow that behavior as an adult. Children who watch thier parents smoke/drink may do the same. Not that being gay is anywhere near the equivalent, but why confuse a child? Parents have the most influence on thier children. I learned to be a good father to my kids and a honorable husband to my wife by the example my dad set with my mom, myself, and my brothers. A parents influence is very powerful. I think parents are 1 male and 1 female. I think parents of the same gender may just add confusion to a child.

C-Dawg Njaim--------- I do agree with your post. But, for this particular thread, I am not discussing the suburbs. I am speaking of only employment issues. In this case, that would limit the population to within the city and only the city. All of the "white flight" cannot be employed by the City of Cleveland. That point is mute. MayDay--------- I have family in Logan WV. I love that place. Anyways, just recently I was informed that a person from Appalachia is, in fact, considered a minority. I didn't belive the source. Within the past 6 mo., there was a short article in the Plane Dealer offering scholarships to minorities-- including Appalachians!

The city sanitation workers have filed a similar suit to force the mayor to abide by the new state law.