Geowizical

Loiter Café overcomes the odds and opens despite landlord issues and recent storms (photos) https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2024/08/loiter-cafe-overcomes-the-odds-and-opens-despite-landlord-issues-and-recent-storms-photos.html Glad this was able to open - looks like a really nice space!

Flight path restrictions don't apply to an area just the width of the runway, they are much wider than that and get wider further away from the runway.

Right, I'm going to reserve all judgment on the ancillary development until they make the final decision. The negative "none of that will get built" discussion is circular and has been circular for some time and like MyPhone said, if they don't end up building any of the apartment/retail shown it in Brook Park, then we can be glad they didn't build all those parking lots on the lakefront and maybe the city got all of that extra land to actually make meaningful parks/recreation/residential infrastructure in the end.

City Council Approves Special TIF District For Bedrock Riverfront Project, Promising Up to $1 Billion in Subsidies https://www.clevescene.com/news/city-council-approves-special-tif-district-for-bedrock-riverfront-project-promising-up-to-1-billion-in-subsidies-44880867

Regardless of the politics, I will say that rendering video is extremely cool

An anchor institution would def work well here. Since some are concerned about the lakefront plans sans-CBS, for one city planners and the NorthCoast committee said the plan can continue with or without the stadium. If/when the stadium is demolished, if there is no immediate plan then consider a place like Grant Park in Chicago - there is actually a very large amount of space there dedicated to just grassy fields and open plazas. As a result, they are able to hold a lot of very large outdoor music festivals/events downtown that attract hordes of young people, namely Lollapalooza. Not saying we should mimic Chicago exactly, but at the very least, if the rest of the lakefront plan begins construction and there is no concrete plan in the short term for CBS (post-demolition), the CBS land could "easily" be converted into a very large grassy open space that could also function as a draw for regional music concerts where you can have multiple large outdoor stages in the former CBS land and the Mall simultaneously as one experience connected by the land bridge.

I watched the entire broadcast - I can believe it! They did a very good job, including good promotional material for the city. Aerial coverage was great too.

Well, has there been any indication from ODOT saying they won't complete the Innerbelt plan? They're about to start Contract Group 3A in 2026 with the $160mil reconstruction of the I-77/I-90 interchange from E9th to Carnegie (TIER I). I see no reason why future phases don't get moved up in tiers further down the line... Also, 2015 is the most up-to-date version of the plan: https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/projects/mega-projects/mega-projects/innerbelt

ODOT TRAC 2024-2027 shows $15mil worth of preliminary engineering on the I-90/SR-2 interchange (Deadman's Curve) over two years 2025-2026 (TIER III, page 4), the first step in the process of reconstruction: https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/programs/trac/construction-program-lists/a-final-major-project-list-2024-2027 I'd post a photo of the proposed interchange but I've met my attachment quota?! (Mods?!)

This is the Cavs facility site, the Cleveland Clinic/parking lot portion that is.

I know most other rapid transit systems around the world have the recorded stop names preloaded into the system that syncs up with travel. I'm assuming the new RTA Siemens trains will have that feature given that they also have updated/electronic displays. So hopefully in the future the drivers won't have to use the radio to make announcements and they will be loud and clear *fingers crossed*

The forum isn't letting me upload photos for some reason (mods? 🙏), but you can see an intention for the intersection in the ITB plans from September 2023 Joint Commission Review, page 47/84 of the presentation: https://assets.courbanize.com/irishtown-bend-park/info-plans/425e3bcad19610d0670c9a7bc434ca24.pdf Dedicated BRT lanes and an intent to add in that left turn from 25th onto Detroit are included.

Something was mentioned about reexamining the short building on the right and how it interacts with the other buildings. I unfortunately didn't catch what was said however.

To note: comments from landmarks have been generally positive this time around - staff report commended the direction of the project and the addressing past comments and said it was a good improvement on the previous iterations. Public space design at the corner of 25th and Detroit was commended. Question was raised about the programming of the former ticket stall and how it could be activated instead of just "being there" in the middle of the project. Comment was made about how to better activate the ground floor to make it more unique instead of flat facades. Comments about the materials varied - some wanted less dark gray and more white, some wanted less contrasting white and more gray. More brick was a general theme. Comment was made about how given how huge the building footprint is, the flat top and consistent roofline could be studied further to make it more visually interesting. No action taken, just a review presentation for feedback.

Snippets so far from Bridgeworks presentation at Landmarks:

Dunno if it's worth it to keep discussing, but any updates on the Arcadia site across Warrensville? Feels like it should've started by now... especially since a financing deal was set in 2023.

I happened to pass a train when driving in the valley this weekend - I noticed they had locomotives on both ends, so maybe not? Not a train expert though...

Do people think it's really that easy to just build new train tracks right through the middle of the riverfront development to the other side???. Having the CVSR terminate at/near the old terminal building is extremely impractical from a cost perspective and would just serve as another barrier to opening up public walking access to the riverfront - literal train tracks creating a brand new barrier between Tower City and the water's edge through the riverfront site, because that's the only direction it could come from. That is, unless we're going to dig tunnels to bury the CVSR underground haha Also, I'm genuinely curious - sure it would be a nice service to have, but how many people will actually be using the CVSR from this location? If the data turns out that not many people are going to be practically be boarding the CVSR from this location, then who cares if it stops at the southern end of the riverfront? Like I said in my previous post/analysis, the proposed stop location isn't any farther from the main stadium area than Tower City station is. Again, this is a genuine question, not facetious.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/07/16/more-people-are-moving-downtown-cleveland-apartment-buildings-say-theyre-ready/

Yeah I would imagine it's an underground infrastructure problem. I'm thinking this is/was the current logic: with the proposals for directing service/private traffic under the proposed riverfront buildings, as well as Tower City station upgrades that will need to accommodate the new, narrower RTA trains in a couple years, it might be too much to fit the CVSR into the mix there, whether it's merging with the RTA station or digging a new station entirely. Furthermore, the tracks that would have to be repurposed in order for the CVSR to extend to under Tower City technically do not overlap/connect to the RTA train lines, so even more track would have to be constructed from scratch if that were to happen. When you consider the track upgrades alone that would need to be made, it's probably a good amount. Then, after doing a quick Google Maps and seeing that the site of the proposed CVSR station is about the same walking distance to the Gateway Plaza in between RMFH and Progressive Field as Tower City (tunnel or surface), people who may use the service to attend sporting events (if service is convenient?) will have the same walk distance as using the RTA. This factors in the future Eagle Ave bridge extension to the Cavs facility which will be the future fastest direct walking route. This of course doesn't factor in the other non-sports downtown amenities which the RTA is definitely more convenient for. If you consider the future riverfront and the sports stadiums as the biggest draw though, I imagine the saved costs of not having to do improvements to bring the CVSR under Tower City offset the walking distance to the main sports venues and the future riverfront itself which in theory will be the intended draw anyways. Plus, if the usual e-bike/scooter infrastructure is adequately provided at the proposed CVSR station then that makes travel times even shorter, since the typical visitor now probably wouldn't mind using e-transportation.

Well said. No one is denying the less-than-ideal experiences of people on the RTA, but those of us saying "it happens everywhere in the US"/"that's life in the big city" aren't saying "the RTA is fine, let's do nothing", it's saying its a societal issue in the US and should be a motivator for making the RTA a better/safer service than our peers and/or influencing public policy, rather than just giving up and not riding RTA. But if calling it "virtue signaling" fits a narrative that the people who've had good experiences with the RTA are ignorant and the RTA is beyond repair, then so be it... 🙄

99% sure its the same number of buildings in the same configuration. Nothing in that regard has changed since the initial Adjaye renders, which are still being used. I also watched and got the same impression. I personally don't have a problem with the steps/amphitheater either way, but even just extending the riverwalk continuously around the bend and adding in more lawn space instead would be a fine replacement IMO. Presentation starts 55 min in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10O2aWhZDy4

Dunno if this has been covered anywhere but Council yesterday voted to create both a Division of Parks and Recreation and Division of Forestry, separate from Public Works, tasked with maintaining city parks/public spaces and treescape/tree canopy respectively. Seems like a big deal given we're always talking about park maintenance and trees in this forum. I for one am looking forward to seeing how this helps streamline and better serve the city! Before the vote: https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-parks-recreation-department/ After the vote: https://www.ideastream.org/government-politics/2024-07-11/cleveland-establishes-parks-and-recreation-department-forestry-division

^As I was about to post @Zagapi responded and I 100% agreed with their sentiments. It's unfortunate to see people's RTA "horror" stories here. This is all anecdotal but I just rode the Blue line twice from Van Aken to downtown (before the track work began), once for Pride and once just to visit downtown. I actually went out of my way to ride the second time because of my positive experience going to Pride. Both times had no issues, the trains were decently packed, on time and I was pleasantly surprised by the convenience. Now to be extremely clear I infrequently ride the RTA, but a week later I was in Chicago and other than the actual breadth and frequency of the CTA system compared to RTA I saw the same types of people and generally same conditions of trains and upkeep. I never felt more/less safe on RTA than I did in Chicago. Take my anecdote how you will.

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