Geowizical

This is just a conceptual proposal shown to give lawmakers a sense of the scale and context. From the sound of things this is not the final design.

Brook Park vs Lakefront aside, I could get down with this concept. Sure it would need refinement but the bones are there. I also agree with @Luke_S about the industrial heritage influences and think that would be a very unique take on a modern NFL stadium, especially compared to the AI-generated-looking designs of other recent teams. Also pleasantly surprised by the number of trees shown. Almost hides all of the parking lots in the background, which I certainly wouldn't complain about. We are the Forest City after all lol

Gordon Crossing moving forward!! Outlined in @KJP's map posted above. Cleveland to sell Hough parcels for ‘unicorn’ affordable housing project https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2024/04/cleveland-to-sell-hough-parcels-for-unicorn-affordable-housing-project.html TLDR: Land is being sold by the city to developers soon, construction to begin this summer, total price $16.3 mil.

As promised! Northeast Ohio Population Data (2024) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11ovx4ec51yi0-9dkKlnQHqSdNhRqsZ4Q/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=112683947790985671934&rtpof=true&sd=true *Finishing Ashtabula Co., don't worry. **I do not plan to do census tract data for Akron and Canton MSA (for now?)

The current Cleveland flag basically incorporates pieces of clip art thrown together with words, both of which a flag should not have; just basic principles of vexillology. It definitely could use a change. I agree it's not a priority, but flag redesigns have been good for civic pride (see Milwaukee). The current flag is not worthy of something people would want to have at their houses or notice and appreciate throughout the city. Something striking and new would do the trick. NAVA recently did a study and ranking of city flags, here are the top-rated ones: https://nava.org/2022-survey Also, I'll throw in Milwaukee's new flag too because it received the most national attention for its redesign (which is beautiful btw):

Oh yeah, that was another point: the team said they were actively talking with the city about potentially extending the proposed bike lane shown in the plans on West 3rd street down across the river along west 3rd to the trails in Tremont.

Good presentation (despite technical difficulties) and comments from the commission. Design review's conditions of approval were read out to the commission before the presentation and (in my opinion, rightfully) received some pushback. The biggest concern from design review was the west 3rd/eagle ave intersection, saying it would be "too congested and problematic" (paraphrasing...). The consensus amongst the commission seemed to be "what the heck, should we really be complaining about "congested" intersections in a place where we want "controlled chaos like NYC" (direct words)". I was glad the commission pushed back because having an activated and busy intersection in a historically unbusy part of the flats should not be a big concern for a project of this magnitude. Safety of course is important and was stressed (kayak traffic mixing with pedestrians), but still. Important note: since it's been brought up as a concern here by forumers, the commission asked about the riverwalk and kayak launch. Presenters said both the shown portion of the riverwalk AND the kayak launch ARE a part of this project. Overall though, high praise. They got into some minutiae about materials and retail but nothing major that final review wouldn't fix. At least that was my read of the room. Motion for schematic approved unanimously with a few considerations for final. Quote of the day from a comish member (paraphrasing): "Ontario is big enough for a North Korean military parade; it's too wide!" 😆

Yeah they were having lots of technical difficulties, but they've made it through the presentation.

Bedrock's presentation is starting now (10:25 AM) for anyone interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0tQ-fDruRg

Yes, good point, downtown and UC are considered "east side" (anything east of the Cuyahoga). However, those two neighborhoods account for only 5 out of the 92 census tracts on the east side. It's in the data, but there are some inspiring trends to see in other east side neighborhoods over the past two-three years. Suffice to say, downtown and UC aren't the only east side neighborhoods doing the heavy lifting now (don't get me wrong, they definitely are doing the best). :)

Since I just learned about this thread: I've been working on putting together a giant, one-stop-shop, easy to use spreadsheet to share with the forum for anyone to access, collating all of the census data from 2020 onward for every neighborhood in Cleveland and every city in the entire Cleveland MSA. The project spawned out of seeing a lot of statements thrown about in the past about population that clearly lacked any research to back up the claims (ex. "the Cleveland MSA is losing population", which it is no longer), and I figured it's mostly because while population data is easily accessible, it's very dense and hard to parse through for the average consumer. I hope to share the spreadsheet link soon for everyone to see, I'm almost done putting everything together. Hopefully it's useful to the forum at-large, even if there's something similar already existing here. In the meantime, just thought I'd share some interesting results on my Cleveland analysis (the big whale) which I just wrapped up. Here's a snippet of what you might see for a city entry in the spreadsheet: Source: data.census.gov *Note: "Negative Decreasing" means the rate of change of negative growth is improving. "ROC" means "rate of change", simply the 2021-2022 change minus the 2021-2020 change. I split up Cleveland east-west because I wanted to see some more specific trends. It's interesting to me that for all the talk about the east side hemorrhaging the city's population, the decrease in negative growth just from 2020 to 2022 alone is quite astonishing. Also notice how the east side population growth is almost nearing 0%! If this trend continues, I would cautiously suspect that the east side will start gaining population in the next couple of years. Meanwhile, the west side is actually the side of town with the more consistent population loss since 2020 (a fact which seemed counter-intuitive to me at first!) Just some interesting tidbits to chew on. At least, that's what I've learned from my semi-professional analysis. My qualifications are that I took many classes in uni dealing with census data analysis lol. (Side note: It'll be explained in the spreadsheet, but census data is (obviously) the most accurate population data, however it only happens every decade. American Community Survey (ACS) 5-year data is the next-best thing, a sample of each census tract collected every year and extrapolated based on the previous 5. The issue with the 5-year data is that it usually over or underestimates the true population, sometimes quite egregiously. So the data you see above is actual 2020 census data, and then 2021 and 2022 data extrapolated from the growth rates of the 5-year ACS data. Raw ACS data is presented in the spreadsheet.)

Similar to above, any updates on Chester 82? I feel like I drove past the site a couple months ago and still, nothing...

What's the problem with landscaping on a riverfront? COSI and the Vet Museum on the river in Cbus look just fine to me. I would argue this is more "agregious" than the cavs facility by that standard...

The presentation for the committee can also be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2imocsar9s9u6fjnra3tw/APu4VsMl0-Lbxxr8SWk52UU/Downtown | Flats Design Review?dl=0&rlkey=vl5lvlb6kgd5jnspk15zfbmtb&subfolder_nav_tracking=1 Based on the agenda, CPC will probably be spending the majority of the time next Friday reviewing this, and for good reason - Bedrock is bringing a 100-page detailed schematic presentation, linked above. They weren't playing around when they announced this thing and proposed the timeline. Very much excited for this presentation! So much detail in the presentation but here are some sequencing highlights:

Cavs/Clinic GPPC officially on the design review agenda for next week, as promised from the announcement event:

You'll have to take my word for it but ESPN has done the city justice this time around. Lots of great live and current skyline shots and creative shots of the city throughout the Women's Final Four broadcast this evening. I tried to grab what screenshots I could... (Property of ESPN or whatever lol) Also I drove through downtown about a hour before NC/USC tipoff and it was poppin. Iowa fans EVERYWHERE lol

I agree - I didn't advocate for a 20k stadium. If we start out with 12,000 pledges and build a 12,000k stadium, where would non-season ticket holders sit? As the pledges surely dwindle after the newness factor, people who aren't season ticket holders will fill the space as people discover the team. Hence, we need a 12k stadium, which I was simply noting is larger than the KC stadium capacity.

It definitely seems risky, but here's the thing: https://www.clevescene.com/news/debut-of-clevelands-mls-next-pro-team-may-be-delayed-until-soccer-stadium-built-43677907 With all hands on deck focusing on the financing, what does that mean for the arrival of Cleveland's MLS NEXT Pro team? Murphy told Scene there's a good chance the team's debut is delayed from 2025 until a stadium is built, which could take up to two years from when ground is broken. "Ideally, we want to debut in a stadium and give the best first impression we can," he said. "A delay might be the right move with MLS." MLS NEXT Pro President Charles Altcheck in November 2022 told Scene the league wouldn't have awarded Cleveland a team without a concrete commitment to build a new facility. "We know how important it is for a team to have a venue that's built for soccer and built for the fans and players to be able to show the best of the sport week in and week out," he said at the time.

Rock Entertainment is also involved. CEO Nick Barlage was quoted in one article I saw as continuing to help support the project, although I don't know in what capacity. At the very least, there is real backing behind this. This article is probably better and also not paywalled: https://wgno.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/700723856/fans-pledge-more-than-12000-season-tickets-for-clevelands-aspiring-womens-professional-soccer-team/

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2024/04/we-have-to-do-it-now-cleveland-soccer-groups-drive-to-bring-womens-team-to-ne-ohio-moves-forward.html Cleveland Soccer Group announces 12,000 season-ticket pledges in drive to secure women’s NWSL franchise Not much additional info other than the headline, but huge news nonetheless. The other pertinent news is that NWSL will announce an expansion team by the end of 2024. The final bid is due this spring. My take: Having over 12,000 pledged season ticket holders means Cleveland will have to build a soccer stadium larger than that of the Kansas City Current, whose purpose-built stadium capacity is 11,500. Basically, we've already eclipsed KC in terms of demand and haven't even been awarded a team yet. Amazing for women's sports!

That entire segment of Carter needs a full depth restoration and completely new roadscape. It's a warzone. But I have no clue if there are plans to redo the road. I can imagine that would be a city project if so.

This is a friendly reminder to everyone that the CLE MSA does not have a dwindling population. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Anyways, back to the stadium...

The timing of this and the Browns "revelations" is fascinating. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the tabloids start leaning into the Browns vs Cavs: Which organization actually cares about Cleveland? narrative... From Crain's: "One day after the Browns confirmed they may leave the lakefront for Brook Park, Cleveland Cavaliers president of basketball operations Koby Altman stood up at a press conference at Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse, found Cleveland mayor Justin Bibb in the crowd and said, “Mayor Bibb, we’re going to come home to Cleveland.”"

Also playing devil's advocate: Not to go down a rabbit hole here, but Easton and Polaris in Columbus are exactly 7 miles apart and offer pretty much the same services. Crocker Park to the Brook Park site? Also exactly 7 miles... Kind of a law of induced demand-scenario. Aka: build it and they will come.

Correct! I believe that connection has always been a part of the plan.