Geowizical

Cleveland.com article on SW needs and considerations: https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/09/what-sherwin-williams-will-consider-as-it-searches-for-a-new-headquarters-according-to-national-site-selectors.html

Sketchup Renderings with Updated Massing and Possible Land Bridge (9/10/19): *Note: All renderings are unofficial and are meant for speculation purposes until official versions are released.

Excellent argument. Since I'm obviously not a shareholder in anything, how much of a say do shareholders have directly in matters as big as this? From what you argue, it would seem to me that most other shareholders would also be weary of SW making a move out of Cleveland that comes with so many unknowns...

And so I'll post my Sketchup rendering from a couple pages ago of the 3-5 building proposal again. Let's hope the CEO sees this! ?

Again, they are only looking at Cleveland, Northeast Ohio, and Other States...

That makes me wonder... I know Sherwin-Williams is one of the largest paint companies in the world. But I wonder, how much would other cities actually be willing to go to to land them? I get why everyone was going after Amazon, but that was a long shot for almost all cities. And just look at how much SHW is worth compared to Amazon: Amazon's current stock is $1,849 per share, while Sherwin-Williams's is less than one-third that, at 540$. I'm not saying SHW is not a large asset to the city's economy (it's crucial for CLE), but essentially, I'm asking if Sherwin-Williams is truly major enough to warrant other cities actively looking to steal them from NEO and pay the costs/deal with all of the economics of what YABO713 describes above. I would love some more insight into this. Maybe my argument/questions are completely bogus, I don't know...

Interesting line here, don't know if it's been overlooked or not. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/09/sherwin-williams-looking-for-new-headquarters-company-confirms.html From the Cleveland.com article, McCormack was quoted as saying: “Obviously, it’s clear they need more space. It’s clear they need a better home,” said McCormack. “I think we definitely have it downtown. We have the ability to accommodate that. Beyond the spatial needs that are clear, and a more cohesive home for them, [Sherwin-Williams has] not expressed anything else” about incentives from the city. I know it's early, but it does make me wonder how much in incentives, if any, the company will ask for. I guess how much they do end up asking for will show their level of commitment to the city.

^Big blunder, SHW. Not sending this release out to employees with the foresight to see this "chaos" happening and letting rumors and intrigue run rampant? Crazy to hear all of this confirmed coming from the inside... If enough people at SHW now are "going crazy" about their future prospects and what'll happen to them/their jobs in four or so years, then I say the ball is definitely in SHW's court. How they react to a) the media possibly pushing the narrative that they are leaving NEO altogether and b) the general public pushing the narrative that it would kill the metaphorical heart of the city if they left, will be very interesting to see...

Crazy how if the Sherwin-Williams presser didn't include the three words "several other states", the entire narrative would be different and this thread would be 100 posts shorter. ? Agreed. I think at least some word would get out from the employees if they were being told to pack up and leave in 4 years and no one told them anything beforehand. Imagine the wild rumors circulating in HQ and R&D, the chaos... ?

Of course a company is going to say they are "exploring all options" with regards to making a move as big as this. I take these kinds of sentences in press releases like this with a grain of salt. I hope that KJP's scoop that the two local developers (Turner and Gilbane I believe) were the only ones contacted is true just to further prove the point that it is all a show by SHW and that they've already decided on staying in NEO at the minimum. I see little to no chance they move anywhere else.

Yes, I believe it is. Not to get too off-topic, but here's a comparison chart I made recently that is fairly accurate (could be missing some) and provides some insights about skyscraper development. Looking at this chart, it's surprising (although becoming less and less surprising) how seemingly far ahead development-wise Cleveland is out of the 3 Cs in Ohio. Sure NuCLEus is stalled (hopefully not for good), but from what a few posters on this forum have been hinting at, there could be even more announcements on the horizon, hence the Unknown towers listed below. It feels to me like we are far ahead of the game in Ohio. And The Lumen and Beacon projects is a great example of our momentum. SHW would be the greatest icing on the cake. Important note: Unless I missed something crucial, Cincinnati has no current developments/proposals whatsoever reaching 300 ft or higher. A little unfortunate.

We laugh, but that could actually be a legitimate possibility, seeing how much they're willing to make sure none of their employees say a single word regarding the situation...

Thanks to @KJP for using my Sketchup renderings in today's blog post! It's great to know they're being put to good use in order to stir the Sherwin-Williams paint can, so to speak ? Speaking of stirring the paint can... First I presented the 1000+ option, for the those who'd like to build it big and build it supertall... Now I must to present the other option, for those who'd like to build it dense with many, slightly shorter buildings... At the request of @YABO713, here it is: the alternative package to the 1000+ option. This brand-spanking-new package features: 750 ft HQ building 430 ft HQ or R&D building 330 ft R&D building and as an added bonus: More green-space for downtown! The great modern campus feel you know and love from your college days! Potential room for retail, lifestyle, and other entertainment options! Invisible walkways! (or they could just be underground!) No depressing parking lots of misery!

Every day on the beach that is the Urban Ohio Forum...

This is the general idea behind the corporate campus concept I'm going to start rendering at the request of @YABO713. Stay tuned!

Not a SHW announcement, but a cool one nonetheless... The announcement is about the Brown's Color Rush jerseys being named the primary team jersey for the season. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2852393-look-browns-announce-brown-color-rush-jerseys-will-be-primary-uniforms-in-2019 Because Sherwin Williams = Colors

Can do!

So the CFO! Can't wait to hear what the location is! Then, I'll at least be able to place the building(s) at the correct location in my Google Sketchup renderings! ? I'll wait for the article to drop to ask more, but does this mean downtown is strong lock for both HQ and R&D,?

Beacon peeping out and looking mighty fine in the skyline (rhyme not intended) today at the Cleveland National Air Show

1070 ft. I went lower end of 1000+ realistically speaking... R&D tower next door is about 600 ft. But I should probably decrease the height to 400-500 ft.

At the request of @NR And another Sketchup glamour shot. Still keep in mind: I'm basing all of this off of the Amazon/Old SW Renderings. This is a best-guess and not accurate of whatever the final may be... Another note: Buildings in ORANGE are Under Construction. Buildings in YELLOW are Proposed/Approved/Yet To Be Announced

Can do!

1455 ft is probably not likely, although that would be amazing to see... I think a 1000 ft HQ and a 400-500 ft R&D is much more reasonable and would have just a much of an impact (density and height-wise) as something that tall: Nonetheless, I present the 1400+ tower proposition for ***** and giggles:

Good to hear SHW is more likely to stay in downtown at this point, although do we know for sure that Brecksville is starting to look like a long shot/be out of the picture at this point? (These types of articles always make me nervous, especially when they contradict current rumors/assumptions, like the fact that SW will probably stay downtown as mentioned by KJP.) Can't wait for some official announcement and/or the designs to start coming out...

*Relaxes slightly in chair* If you were to start a "Holy Crap, Sherwin Williams is Leaving Downtown Doomsday Clock" right now (pardon my french), on a scale of 1 (definitely staying) to 10 (definitely leaving), how would you gauge the response you mentioned? And how would you compare that to, say, the beginning of the year or since last you heard?