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I don't know one person that has ever said that Burnet Woods was too dangerous to walk in. Thats ridiculous. The only time that could possible be applicable is at night. How annoying. They could however turn it into a water park, something everybody could enjoy;)

All power suits are bought from the Men's Warehouse. I guaranteeeee it ;)

I think its a bad location for any fast food joint with a drive threw. Taco Bell doesn't equal redevelopment. I would rather have the women's panty shop that used to be at that corner instead!

Thats the nature of large urban hospitals. They build in layers, as new needs/spaces are realized and needed, with the buildings actually touching one another. If your lucky they might build an atrium between the buildings.

True, but lets look at the state of OH as a whole, since republicans have been heading it. I don't think anybody deserves much credit.

I'm just trying to explain how columbus pulls more "tourist" money than Cleveland/Cuyahoga county per the above article (and I know, I'm sure the methodology is flawed). Your explanation, please. And I do regret the grammatical error, my apologies (additoin?) :wink:.

But there families are.

I don't know how they calculate tourist/visitor dollars, but you would have to think that Columbus has an advantage over Cleveland simply because it is the state capital. State governtment officials travel there, high school sports tournaments occur their, all kinds of highschool extracurricular events go there, state agricultural/business/higher education meetings occur at least yearly. It pays to be the Cap-City.

give me some time.

Hot damn, I love Buckner!

Actually, didn't they just build a tiny shopping center behind the new 5/3 at the Hopple exit? I think there may be a dollar store or something in there. Anyway, I do love the $28 motel where you can walk straight out to the White Castle for your chicken rings cravings!

The Cinci Kid is right, coming to UC campus from I-71 S onto Taft may be the worst/ugliest entrance to a major university that I have ever seen. So, basically any students coming from columbus and cleveland areas to visit the campus (with thier families) are immediately exposed to unpleasantness. UC needs to find a way to get them onto MLK as soon as possible past all the new construction and the hospitals, and then on to Jefferson with some new construction as well. They should close down Taft at Highland on big high school visitation days ;)

Also, with the proposed development of the new Sports Training complex in the Fairport/painesville/grand river area (I believe IMG has something to do with this), rail could create a convenient method of moving these people from Cleveland proper to the complex. Hopefully, the parents/families of the kids that are "in training" would stay in hotels in downtown Cleveland.

I would love to see an Eastside rail transit corridor running from Cleveland to Painesville. Get some of that lake county population riding the rails to work downtown.

It was not meant as bait, just a question. Using Cleveland as an example, would the Innnerblet bridge be more apt to have a real chance at becoming an "iconic" structure if Cleveland was Ohio's main city. I mean it would be hard to justify to a Cincinnatian spending his/her tax money on a "fancy" bridge in a city 250 miles away. On the other hand, if Cleveland was OH's "main" city a person living in-state 250 miles away may be more likely to look at the city as a subject of Buckeye pride (for no better term). By the way I've lived in all 3-C metros, and have enjoyed everyone of them. And I think OH is better off for them.

If Ohio would lose two of the three C's, or two of them never existed, would the city that was left over be more of a rallying point for the state? Would people be more drawn to that city? It would almost certainly be larger, and may be draw the more "creative" "urban type"?

Agree with Vulpster. Ohio needs to "advertise" what it does do well. Ohio will never again have an industrial/manufacturing sector like it once did, but it currently is perhaps the premier states when it comes to health care. With the Cleveland Clinic, Case/University Hospitals, OSU medical center, University Hosp./Christ in Cincinnati Ohio has quite a powerhouse of well respected highly ranked teaching hospitals in the I-71 corridor alone. Dayton, Akron, and Toledo also have respected health care facilities. In fact with Children's Hospital Cincinnati and Rainbow Baby and Childrens in Cleveland, Ohio has 2 of the top 5 pediatric hospitals in the whole damn country (this point can be argued, 2 of the top 10 for sure). Why isn't this being marketed. New/existing medical/health care companies should be scratching at the door to get into OH, where patients are plentiful and the facilities and staff are 2nd to none. The hopsitals I previously mentioned are huge research institutions. Is there any concerted effort by OH to try and recruit/market specifically to these companies? Any specific tax breaks? I know Taft was pushing some type of "2nd frontier" inititiative at some point. As the population of the US ages, gets sicker, these are the industries that will take off. These are also the industries that pay very well. New medical students, residents, doctors, nurses, technicians, are all training in OH because degrees and training at these institutions are prestigious and help to label you as at the "top of your field", and in order to keep these people in OH new businesses/research/industries should be heavily supported by the state. California is the IT state, Texas is the oil state, there is no reason OH should not be the f--king "Medical State", how easy would it be to market OH as the "Heart (and kidney, and brain, and liver, etc.) of it all". This would also go a long way from changing the image of OH as the dilapidated rust-belt poster child. Hell, maybe it would even become "trendy" to live in the OH. I think sometimes that OH's population/politicians lament the way things were, try to scrap to keep the industry jobs from leaving, and don't realize the potential for things that are right under their nose. What would be a better expenditure, spending $100 million to keep 1,000 industry jobs or spending $100 million to gain/create 10,000 new medical/medicoengineering/bio jobs. PS: I have a degree in Marketing geniousship. ;) *I agree with Vulpster from the last post on the 1st page, that is.

Yeahhhhhhhhh! The "Percolator", the best song ever! It's time for the percolator!

I go to work every morning at University Hospital on 71, and if I come home during rushhour I always take Madison Rd. Madison can be much faster in the afternoon, get bottled up in O'bryonville but thats it. I live in Oakley get on 71 at Edwards.

I hope, and I could be wrong KJP, that she (Drago) was referring to Westlake when she made these comments. The author of this article wrote in an ambigous manner leading to confusion. Hopefully that would explain the culture shock, as in moving to Westlake from Cleveland/Lakewood. I hope, for godsake.

Hey now! That sounds like some "random Cleveland venting" ;)

No doubt a lot of people would agree with you. My point would be given the choice between tearing this building down--replacing it with a Kohls on steroids, and leaving it be, I would rather leave it be. To replace a building that could, at least at some point, be regarded as important or unique or representative, with something blandly unimaginative that would be happy in Lima, Hilliard, Kettering, or along 271, 270, or 275 would be an architectural travesty. It is a building that, whether liked or not, helps to individualize Cleveland. It is a frequent lament on this forum that Cleveland has lost too many structures, neighborhoods, businesses that if around now would be appreciated. How old are some of the industrial buildings that are threatened with tear down to build the I-90 bridge? Close to 100 years? Are these factory/warehouses intrinsically pleasing? Who is to say in 30 years the Breur won't be looked at with interest and admiration? Think of the buildings downtown thats original facades were either replaced or covered because they were no longer considered "in-style" or "aesthetically appealing", and that are now being re-exposed or recreated. In some peoples opinion the Terminal Tower could be considered to "glamourous", "ostentasious", or "busy" --beaux arts, more like faux arts-- It could be improved by boxing in the top, making it more rectangular, and painting it white. The point being, if all the buildings looked identical in a city it would be incredibly boring and static. The layers are what make a downtown interesting. Plus the space owned by the county extends along either side of the tower, allowing for the possibility of an interesting rap-a-round design for the new county building that could theoretically incorporate the old tower. The "addition" to the Breur could incorporate the design aspects that the county says it needs for its offices. Also, all the asbestos has to be removed on the building anyway, even if it is going to be imploded or otherwise destroyed. It is disheartening for a city that has lost a lot of landmarks/identity (Millionaire row, heavy industry, the cutout of the innerbelt, the near eastside of downtown--until recently :) ) to continue to remove the "old" and replace it with the "new and better". There has to be a more innovative way to use this building then to tear it down and replace it with the tripe that is suggested. I would not be half as mad, if they were at least considering replacing it with a building half as interesting/controversial as the original.

Wow, they may have picked the most unimaginative design out of the already unimaginative offerings. I feel nauseous. Leave the F**king Breur alone! Tearing down a tower created by a renowned architect, in order to replace it with suburban office park trash, brilliant :shoot:!

Ate lunch at the Green Papaya on the corner of Wasson and Paxton earlier in the week and I was very happy with the food. Had one of the Bento Boxes but can't remember all of what was on it. Very good sushi. The box was around $10. Good place for decent lunchtime Asian.

I feel good inside!