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I think the original question was how can CLE be used as a driver of economic development? I'd love to respond Milli, but have other things to do right now. You hold that thought.

If you believe that Cleveland has more job growth than any of the cities listed, cite your reference ff.

"Job growth numbers" is wide-open to interpretation....Percent increase, percent of population empoyed, actual number of jobs, city, region. I wonder how many jobs a new CLE Terminal will generate?

No. You simply rely upon the status quo of "inferior service to key markets."

If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten.

Another non-legacy carrier that has moved in to fill the legacy carrier void. The good news is that it represents more volume at BKL, which it needs.

How do Clevelanders today get from CLE to CVG? Drive 6 1/2 hours, or connect through DTW or ORD. That's crazy!

You can't fly overseas from LGA.

This is unfortunate because JFK is a key American gateway to Europe and Central/South America. If nothing else, one advantage of CLE's location has been that it's a short hop to ORD, JFK, EWR, DTW or MSP for one-stop international flights. Eliminating JFK is a big loss. As for UAL, who cares?

It's predominantly increased capacity to existing destinations/markets, not service to new destinations/markets.

I have the same feelings as AmrapinVA. The discount airlines jumped from CAK, to fill the UAL void/gates with some legacy infill. My concern is that CLE may be taken over by discount carriers only, with mostly vacation destinations.

Where are you suggesting that credit should be given? To the City of Cleveland or UAL?

Excluded Non-Stop Major Cities/Markets: All are major markets, some are larger cities/regions: Cincinnati, OH Pittsburgh, PA Harrisburg, PA Indianapolis, IN Islip, NY Kansas City, MO Buffalo, NY Portland, OR Sacramento, CA Oakland, CA Fresno, CA San Jose, CA Memphis, TN Des Moines, IA Oklahoma City, OK Orange County, CA Ontario, CA Birmingham, AL San Antonio, TX Honolulu, HI (10 hours)

I know which cities are alpha, beta, gamma, their derivatives and self-sufficient. That's why I said refer to DEN, or even MSP or PHL, beta cities. Besides having more population, what assets do they have that CLE lacks and how did they get there? The question was, if you aspire to become, at least, a Beta city, what does Cleveland need to do to get there? What still needs to be done?

How do you become a Beta City? What are the requirements? What components will get you there? Denver may be a good example.

And the 30+% living in poverty? How does that work itself out? They die in the streets? Move to other locations? How do they get there, fly? Lol

Why not aspire to become a Beta city?

I think we all want what is best for Cleveland and the region. The question is how to get there. 1. With 30+% poverty, economic growth and job creation that provides living wages is paramount. 2. Does the existing population have the skills to fit today's living wage jobs. If not, what educational resources are available to assist in that process? 3. Much of the city's housing stock has been bulldozed or needs redevelopment, which requires financial resources (banks, government, private). Investment will not occur without an anticipated ROI. 4. Unfortunately, there are and have been roadblocks. 5. KJP has summarized his vision; the initial requirement for developing a roadmap on how to get there. 6. One of the challenges has been consistent political leadership that has articulated a vision to move the region forward. 7. There are a number of components that contribute to a corporation's decision to relocate. Quality air transportation is one of them.

You may be correct. It may be too late for CLE and BKL to be anything more than what they are. That train may have already left the station.

It should.

How about thinking about Cleveland for what it could be?

Ok, and rural China has what to do with Cleveland and economic development except that you can't get to China without multiple days of travel and numerous connections?

Correct. I kinda think Amazon needs superior access to its key markets.

Are we even in the same universe? Perception is reality. What corporations perceive to be "inferior air service to key markets" results in a lack of interest in locating or even having satellite offices located in a city, whether you, Clefan98, are personally comfortable with your multi-stop flights, shuttered and/or dark concourses, or not. Corporate relocations and expansions bring jobs, generate income tax revenue, sales tax revenue, spinoff jobs and help to drive additional economic growth; something the City desperately needs.

"I'm still waiting to learn about some specific opportunities Cleveland lost directly due to Hopkins." Amazon HQ2 for one. You probably weren't even born when BP vacated 200 PS for Chicago. Seattle vs NYC vs Virginia vs Cleveland. Unfortunately as stated above, having inferior air service makes corporate relocation a non-starter; Cleveland isn't even a point of discussion.