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It's soooo good to see lower Euclid return to its previous grandeur!

Any news on the future of the former Stouffer's John Q's?

Since SW seems to prefer a more suburban type of campus layout (ie; Goodyear or Progressive), is it possible that they could be reconsidering the downtown location and instead considering a different site (maybe OC) and selling the Jacobs/Weston properties to a developer?

Like Wilshire Blvd. from downtown to Century City in LA, Peachtree St. from downtown to Buckhead in ATL, or Biscayne Blvd. from downtown to midtown in MIA.

During Winter, waves lapping up and onto the Shoreway, turning into thick sheets of ice and icicles, had been a problem since I was a kid; more than half a century. Cars would literally slide sideways along that stretch of the Shoreway. It sounds like no progress has been made since the 60s.

Preach! Thank you!

The building's design hasn't changed dramatically since it was built in the mid-80s. I think there've been garage and lobby changes. Bottom line: it was designed and built as a corporate HQ with public access. If SW wanted to, they could as well.

In this Age of Misinformation...all of this could be just that. The information seems so completely and absolutely counter to everything that would make this a valuable addition to Clevelanders, PS and the WD.

200 PS was designed and built as the HQ for Standard Oil of Ohio (acquired by BP), so a HQ building can have public access. It can and has been done.

I'm not at all surprised. It was so predictable. I have no further comments.

It may also be a nod to their discontinued ESPN Zone franchises. With all of the bars & restaurants in the FEB area, they can achieve the same end result without being in the restaurant business themselves.

With massive government subsidies and continued impressive corporate financials, Cleveland deserves more than a half-baked building on Public Square. https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2021/01/28/sherwin-williams-sees-diy-paint-sales-jump.html?ana=cleveland

Is it possible that SW is so conservative that they don't want the HQ tower across the street from a casino? Could that be the reason for a Center of Excellence on PS instead?

^ There's still an opportunity to dress-up the storefronts with canopies, fixtures and accents to improve the quality of their appearance. Given the investment, I wouldn't write those storefronts off just yet.

...Or the I-480 bridge over the Cuyahoga River Valley.

^ I went to undergrad and Med School in LA so I know those "Boulevards" very well, including La Cienega, Fairfax, Highland, Crescent Heights, Crenshaw, Pico, Santa Monica, Melrose, La Brea, Sunset and Ventura Blvds. In West LA, BH, Brentwood to Santa Monica and south, the Blvds. get pretty wide and Prospect, Euclid, Superior, St. Clair and Lakeside could easily fit within their geographies. As you move East, Cleveland's Avenues actually get narrower. I'll await all further SW judgements until we actually see something substantive.

We're not talking Wilshire or Olympic Blvd here. Cleveland's Avenues are not that wide compared to most other cities, including Detroit. Superior "appears" to be wider than it is in this area because of the sea of parking lots.

Being a native Clevelander, having graduated from US, returned for a CCF fellowship, but now living in South Florida, I have been very proud of the success of SW. I've used their products on my interiors, followed and snapped photos of their blue delivery trucks to post on this forum, and monitored their financial picture post Valspar, but this is simply a bridge too far. A drab, uninspired box on Public Square will not be appreciated for generations of Clevelanders to come. If you want an uninspiring mid-rise, don't build it on Public Square; it won't attract talent.

BOK Park Plaza is so 1960s E. 9th Street. It's okay to be conservative but another to lack design inspiration; especially when you provide tools for designers themselves. A design similar to Northwestern Mutual in Milwaukee, while unique, yet not overdone, would at least provide a counter-balance to 200 PS and if curved away from PS, could provide street-level interaction with a plaza opening onto PS itself.

Nice! For the foreseeable future, I suspect any theaters or stages built will probably be of the outside variety. https://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/movies-news-reviews/article248636815.html

^ We should perhaps differentiate between re-opening existing theaters vs developers building new ones.

^ So you do without downtown movie theaters. There's plenty of vacant lots in FWB, that could be used year round, not just the summer months. No developer will be willing to invest in indoor theaters until this pandemic is under control, if ever. COVID-19, is the first of what will inevitably be many zoonotic pandemics to come. I know, reality can suck, but it is reality and sooner or later you have to face the facts.

Mid-rise and stubby should have been located off of St. Clair, Lakeside, the Flats, the Euclid corridor, UC, OC or in midtown, even if it does mean eradication of the decades-old WH District parking lots; not on PS. It's simply unimaginable.

^ There may an opportunity at Nucleus, on the Bedrock property, the Old Spaghetti House property or NE CBD along Chester. I simply can't imagine much additional opportunity unless its on Prospect or Huron.

An interesting comparison. It also explains why (I hate to say it) Pittsburgh has such impressive images of its downtown. As a side note, Philadelphia's CBD was unimpressive until Comcast and others started the build up over the past two decades.