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I think most people on this blog will agree that the State of Ohio, which is seated in Columbus, has never had an appetite for urban transportation. Period. Now there may be individuals in Columbus who support it, historically the State has not, given the fact that most of the state is rural. Southeastern or Central NW Ohio residents could care less about urban development.

To clarify and to answer any remaining questions, my points are as follows; 1. You can easily correct your vote by recasting it. Just click on your vote to recast 2. It should not be a city vs city discussion. All have their own unique advantages/disadvantages 3. As Columbus begins to share some of the urban challenges that have faced Cleveland and Cincinnati for more than a century, the pendulum may finally be swinging in favor of enhanced support for urban-related transportation and economic development issues 3. NEO and SWO have historically been, and are still the most densely populated areas, as your density numbers above reflect. Now that the Columbus area has also grown in density, that may be the rationale for combining Columbus, Cincinnati and Dayton into a single region. 4. Those density characteristics, from an urban planning perspective, necessitate different approaches to addressing transportation needs 5. As the seat for the State of Ohio, Columbus dictates what happens elsewhere in the state. It's no different than Cuyahoga County decisions impacting the City of Cleveland. The difference however is that since Cuyahoga County is also densely populated, many, not all, decisions are more closely aligned with the needs of the City of Cleveland (ie; the County's building of the Huntington Convention Center & Hilton). Geographically, most of Ohio is rural. 6. Historically, the State of Ohio has not been very supportive of urban mass transit initiatives, preferring instead to focus on the support of sprawl 7. The lack of support for non-sprawl transportation initiatives has hindered the state's economic development 8. The idea of regional airport hubs has been previously proposed (50 years ago), but because, in part, on the reasons stated above, it never gained traction in Columbus 9. Other state capitals have been supportive of urban transit in their densely populated areas (Albany, Hartford, Sacramento, Tallahassee, Harrisburg, etc.) 10. So here Ohio is again, fifty years later: A. Does this newly reintroduced proposal have legs? B. What would Ohio's economic status look like if we had adopted this proposal 50 years ago? C. Would there be greater economic development in the state today, if they had adopted an urban transportation strategy 50 years ago? D. Has the train already left the station for international airport hubs? Can Ohio support the development and will it be utilized? Is the cost and associated risk of this development now prohibitive?

Rent a few parking spaces on Jacobs/Weston, throw up a few tables, have a catered lunch.

It's what I suspected. I'm less concerned about the foot soldiers because the City needs jobs and they're the ones who should actually be getting things done on the ground but the management structure is another thing.

I would absolutely love to attend and would fly up in a NY minute (except on a 737MAX, lol), but not in winter. Congratulations to All! So excited for my hometown! I'll have to catch you guys during the summer months.

Didn't Condor operate flights out of Hopkins for a while?

Looks like a trachea and a pair of lungs sitting atop a diaghram. Breathtaking! Excuse the pun.

I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure the City has not adequately adjusted it's organizational structure to reflect the changes in population and revenue, similar to corporate downsizing.

The same has been true for NEO, going back over 50 years, but the ideas were never pursued. The Louisville and Memphis airports themselves may not have generated high-paying jobs for cargo, but with good planning and execution, that includes ground transportation, they could serve as stimuli for economic growth, similar to the Healthline and Euclid Avenue. I think the plan for OH is more for commercial aviation vs cargo/freight. Also with > 32% of the population in abject poverty, Greater Cleveland needs jobs. Period. Commercial and/or cargo aviation could be an additional driver of economic growth in the region.

It's called "gravitational lensing."

Wilshire Grand is very nice but I was never a big fan of US Bank (First Interstate Bank) tower. It always seemed out of place because for the longest time, LA didn't really have many downtown skyscrapers of considerable height (and still doesn't to be #2) and the crown is weird. LA has been the quintessential example of urban sprawl. San Francisco has always been the densely populated urban center on the West Coast.

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Virgin Trains wouldn't be happening without the blessing of Tallahassee and the communities along its path. Communities from Aventura to Coco Beach are battling one another for stations. They appreciate the economic development opportunity. They're not obstructionists. The same holds true in California. That only represents the "high-speed" rail; it's not so high-speed in Miami without a designated right-of-way. Tri-Rail also travels the local Miami-W. Palm Beach route. Where is Ohio in this process? The state just denied a request from GCRTA for desperately-needed financing. It takes visionaries with the political will; something that has been lacking in Ohio. Now the discussion is about two mega airports in NEO and SWO. They could be opportunities. Let's see where they go.

I always thought that 55 PS resembled the tower of the UN building in NYC. They were completed 6 years apart in the 50s. https://images.app.goo.gl/CRLRL9C3EMaxd8mD7

Thanks Jenny. This could make sense if they are planning to place a sub-grade garage below the HQ building, with the lower-rise campus buildings on the Weston lots.

I think we're being a bit sensitive here but I did mean what I said and said what I meant. As the capital of the state of Ohio and the state being its major employer, decisions made by the residents of the City of Columbus, who work for the State, impact everyone in the State; not just the residents of Columbus. Not to detract from Columbus, but from an historical perspective, it has never been considered "urban." It has never had the population density to achieve that distinction. While it may be the largest city, in population and in size, it has never had the density of Cleveland nor Cincinnati; NEO and SWO are the most densely populated regions of the state. With that density comes unique transportation challenges; urban transit and inter/intracity rail vs freeway overpasses and interchanges; large airport hubs vs regional connecting airports to large airport hubs in other states. When I referenced the states, I intended to because most of those states support urban/suburban/exurban transportation development; it is not specific to any one city (ie; Hartford, New Haven, Stamford all have major rail development). The states mentioned have also invested heavily in transportation, which has driven their economic development. Historically, the State of Ohio has not, and that's unfortunate because it has hindered the state's economic development. So here we are. Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach and soon Orlando and Tampa, FL have regional and/or high-speed train service. Tallahassee had the foresight to support this development. The same can be said for Sacramento, CA for its support of transportation development in LA, San Francisco and San Diego. Investment has now become resource and cost prohibitive. That train has left the station, so to speak, and so here we are debating how Ohio can become competitive in a market with ever increasing costs and rampant competition.

Maybe it's because not all of the stars are perfectly aligned. 1. New Jacob's core samples were just obtained yesterday 2. As they did for Weston, no paperwork was filed with the City for the Jacobs lot 3. Would this project be eligible for TMUD? If so, its fate is still pending and could impact project financing 4. Despite what's happening on PS/Weston, it sounds like Bedrock is still making a strong pitch While there are still some unknowns, things appear to be moving favorably.

Unfortunately my Edgewater condo is aligned with the runways at MIA. The noise from A380's and 747's compared to other aircraft is quite noticeable.

That's what I've read. They're monstricities and with four engines, they're loud and I have to think, not very fuel efficient.

I agree with most of what you say. Lufthansa is flying A380's to major markets. I don't think they currently have any interest in medium markets. I do however think the quest by other airlines to gain access to medium international markets has legs and we haven't heard the last of that. They see expansion opportunity in those markets. BTW, I would walk before I took a MAX around the corner. I think the plane's static aerodynamics are flawed with the larger engines.

I think the challenges are cost, market dynamics and political vision and foresight. 1. New airports will be very expensive to build and will require significant infrastructure development 2. The large airline hubs have pretty much been established. I doubt that new hubs will be created when most hubs are within a two hour flight of Ohio. 3. Airbus and Boeing are developing aircraft to meet airlines request for smaller, longer-haul, fuel-efficient aircraft (A320XLR and 737MAX?) to run international routes to/from medium-sized markets. This is an opportunity for places like NEO and SWO. 4. Historically, Columbus has not had the will, vision, nor foresight to invest in urban economic development projects. It would appear that this is slowly changing. Instead ODOT has prefered to build more highways vs invest in rail projects or mass transit. Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, Maryland, Illinois, even California have invested in their transit infrastructure and reaped the rewards of those investments. Unfortunately the lack of investment has adversely affected Ohio's economic development; all of these states have leapfrogged Ohio in transit driven economic development.

My Cleveland roots led to my pursuit of degrees in organic and medicinal chemistry. It's in Cleveland's DNA.

I am so glad the County came to their senses and decided not to interfere with SW decision to build on the Jacobs/Weston parcels. That would have been the final straw for me.

Here's the chance..... https://www.cleveland.com/open/2019/11/ohio-state-lawmakers-propose-total-abortion-ban.html?utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1ckEJqPLztDLOeREsjISZKuXnK6e0YXNCs5Ob0YCTdurtRThjMCti7CYs

Agreed. The dual Ohio airport concept will be a challenge to garner support but the region also needs to grow economically. Large regional, international airport hubs could be a solution but requires visionary non-risk averse leadership; something that has been lacking in Ohio politics.

I don't think there is another city in the country, even those 20 times the size, that has so monumentally restored, renovated or converted excess or deteriorated space into new CBD homes. It's amazing! The citizens, developers and community leadership should be proud of this tremendous accomplishment!