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This may also appropriate for SW HQ thread, but historically, the City of Cleveland and Cuyahoga County appear to have been more cooperative with the community corporations, with a few exceptions, vs. individual private developers (Cleveland Trust-Ameritrust, Society for Savings, Standard Oil, National City, Ohio Bell, Cleveland Electric Illuminating).

It wouldn't be a concern if SW has its own, brand new parking structure underneath or adjacent to their new HQ building.

When I was a kid, the Aquarama used to cruise from Cleveland to Detroit. Sure would be nice to build a cruise ship terminal to initiate Lake Erie summertime cruises. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SsAquarama.jpg

Agreed! While it has improved from the 70s-80s, lower Prospect used to be a really "seedy" area; especially at night. Any redevelopment and increase in foot traffic, will only benefit the area. That would include May Company and the Nucleus development.

Dont sell Cleveland short. I lived in NYC for 20 years and downtown Cleveland street scenes are often used to mimick the streets of Manhattan in the movies. There are more similarities than you may realize; just on a much smaller scale. Terminal Tower was modeled after the Manhattan Municipal Building in lower Manhattan. Also, One Cleveland Center was designed by the same architects as the Citigroup Center on Lexington Avenue. Note the resemblance. Let's not forget Playhouse Square vs. Broadway. And then we have NYC's Highline vs Cleveland's Public Square. The Lumen will also bring that NYC vibe; just need foot traffic to go with it. https://images.app.goo.gl/1YcPMBhqxSuBV8rN8 https://images.app.goo.gl/uj6GCbNWmSRAuSSt8 The Lumen is also reminiscent of what is currently under construction at the WTC site and Hudson Yards. https://images.app.goo.gl/pevQ87Y5GZRBuoJC6 https://images.app.goo.gl/KxcQ67QfzbHbBnKr5

As mentioned upthread, I don't see a conservative company like SW trying to make a statement with the tallest building in the city. A 700-800 ft tower, with a few smaller buildings, as pictured here, would be more consistent with their character.

Agreed. Municipal Stadium had to go. The city needed new stadiums. The only way the City could make that happen was to lose the Browns temporarily, because of their long-term contract.

I think the bottom line with all of this is that we have to wait, assume civic leadership is doing everything they can to seal the deal and hope for the best.

Nice looking building for Cleveland's skyline. We just need more of them.

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/09/akron-summit-county-partner-to-bring-smithers-headquarters-to-downtown.html

If Akron, Summit County, the State and Team NEO could bring the Smithers Company's HQ to Akron, I have no doubt the same can be done for SW in Cleveland. "The deal involved Smithers, the county, the DFA, city of Akron, JobsOhio, FirstEnergy, Akron Children’s Hospital, Huntington Bank and Team NEO."

I rarely fly in/out of CLE anymore, but 9-10M passengers/year is down from it's high of 13M in 2000. That being said, it could easily accommodate the 30K planes using BKL/yr if need be. There are now parallel runways. But to get back to topic, the lakefront could be another viable option for a low-rise urban campus.

"Most are in software development/software engineering." These are not unique to SW or to Cleveland. Those are hot jobs everywhere.

An area west of BKL and/or north of RRHF or FES (Pace Development), could provide another location for an "urban campus," albeit without the highrise.

CLE isn't Chicago. The City does not and has never had the appetite to shutter BKL. It has been proposed numerous times over the decades and despite a decrease in utilization and CLE's loss of hub status, the City still argues that "BKL is a reliever airport for CLE." BKL isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

The FAA would require a request from the City to close BKL. Once proposed, it could take 20 years to come to fruition, so that's a non-starter.

If anyone in the area has a chance, could we get a photo of the SE corner of the building (E. 17th and Prospect)? It would be interesting to see what those South and East sides look like combined, since there appears to be a different pattern on each side.

Before moving to MIA, I also lived on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. Except for trips on NJ Turnpike, flights into LGA or EWR or driving in from LI, you don't notice the skyline. It's so much and it's not the most important aspect of living there. Sooner or later however, the negatives; bureaucracy, COL, taxes and weather overwhelm the positives. I don't think SW is going anywhere but 26 PS.

As the area fills in with today's retail and more families move downtown, it sure would be great to bring back Mr. Jingeling (Halle's 7th Floor) at Christmas time!

Interesting...

My grandmother worked at Sterling Lindner almost 100 years ago.

Not sure that Cash Stop catered to the best clientele. But then again, that part of Prospect has been in desperate need of improvement for decades.

I don't remember the exact size of that Spaghetti House lot, but a thin supertall, with one or two condos/floor would be nice. Cleveland's bedrock could support it and it could become one of the first outside of NYC or CHI.

Hope they do something dramatic with those stripes at night, now that they've been added.

Cleveland has the enviable position of having all sports venues within easy walking distance of one another. Few cities can make that claim. The stadium should stay put, add a dome and develop around it, consistent with Richard Pace's growing development. Another, less favorable option, would be to build a new stadium along the Opportunity Corridor project or in some of the brownfields on the eastside. That eliminates the advantages of option 1. Lol. Tried entering D.I.C.K. Pace, but editor kept replacing with d*ck. I know the guy. We went to high school together in Hunting Valley.