enginerd12

From what I've heard that access path between the buildings and the landscape/green space between the building and river have all be changed to large swaths of concrete thanks to the fire department claiming they need 30' paved access around the larger building.

The City is on a whole different level than most. The process is anything but streamlined and trying to be proactive does you no good when reviewers offer no response and the goal post on requirements seem to change every 5 days.

The picture of the colors (Can I call them colors?) on the inside of that unit make me feel like we are living inside the the world in "The Giver". Why can't they take the colors from the common space and put them in the units...

I don't think it's totally fair to compare prices of these stadiums. The cost of everything, especially construction, has gone through the roof over the last 5 years. The Vegas stadium was finish right as Covid was happening. Cost now is in a different stratosphere. There have been massive changes even in the shorter timeframe of the Buffalo estimated cost to hard costs now.

I think you missed the part where it says the image is conceptual. None of the townhomes have even been designed yet. As far as the area South of Pinecrest, it's completely blanketed in wetlands. Its been looked at by countless developers of the last like 10 years. IKEA isn't building there.

They were replacing all the seats anyway, I doubt there was any extra cost to change a few hundred from blue to red. I think the intent was for the "C" to be displayed when the stadium was empty, not for anything on gamedays.

@PlanCleveland Hit it on the nose. I think it is being massively understated how time consuming and difficult it is to acquire property of this size, especially so when it involves multiple owners. You can't just force someone to sell their land, even if you throw unlimited $ at them. Brook Park is an open expanse of basically undeveloped land at this point where moving existing utilities won't be overly complicated and you have limited obstacles planning out a large scale development like this. From a developers standpoint, you don't get much more "development ready" than a site like this in Cuyahoga County.

I will be surprised if the fire was caused by anything other than a temporary heat source.

Some of the pictures I’ve seen show it spreading to the central wing. So maybe the portion next to the parking garage could be useable. But I also know all the utilities that service the building come in off of Cedar. So that wing won’t have any utility service until the entire building is reconstructed. So you would then have a wing of the building sitting open to the elements for a couple years. Sometimes starting from scratch is the cheapest and quickest way.

There’s next to no chance they reuse any portion of it. Between smoke damage, water/ice damage, and structural analysis, a full rebuild would honestly be cheaper. Id be shocked if they can even reuse the foundation.

While I would love to bury all the power lines and allow the trees to grow, I think it is being understated just how expensive it would be. One of the recent projects I have worked on where overhead transmission lines were buried to a substation for just over 1,000ft cost well over $1 million. And this is in an area where there are no other existing utilities to conflict with. Requiring new developments to do this would be awesome, but it's not the matter of a couple thousand dollars. We're talking 100's of thousands on a lot projects. Then add in the additional coordinating with the electric companies which by itself is an enormous and time consuming task when they are semi-on board with burying their lines and it's a mountain to climb. I'm not sure power companies will ever be fully on board with moving their existing stuff underground for a variety of reasons.

Not to be a downer, but don't get too excited. Fencing isn't for the next tower. If we are lucky it's going to be minimum another year until that has a chance of starting.

Bold of you to assume that the architects and engineers will get paid when projects don't move forward.

Enginerd is right. Independence is moving to the new building on the corner. Couple of restaurants on the ground and some additional office space in the building as well.

And that's probably true. Within the last 1-2 years the Fire Department has becoming an enormous pain. It's amazing the demands and restraints that a large City fire department are making. I expect them out of suburban departments, but not an urban city.