enginerd12

From what I've heard that access path between the buildings and the landscape/green space between the building and river have all be changed to large swaths of concrete thanks to the fire department claiming they need 30' paved access around the larger building.

The City is on a whole different level than most. The process is anything but streamlined and trying to be proactive does you no good when reviewers offer no response and the goal post on requirements seem to change every 5 days.

The picture of the colors (Can I call them colors?) on the inside of that unit make me feel like we are living inside the the world in "The Giver". Why can't they take the colors from the common space and put them in the units...

I don't think it's totally fair to compare prices of these stadiums. The cost of everything, especially construction, has gone through the roof over the last 5 years. The Vegas stadium was finish right as Covid was happening. Cost now is in a different stratosphere. There have been massive changes even in the shorter timeframe of the Buffalo estimated cost to hard costs now.

I think you missed the part where it says the image is conceptual. None of the townhomes have even been designed yet. As far as the area South of Pinecrest, it's completely blanketed in wetlands. Its been looked at by countless developers of the last like 10 years. IKEA isn't building there.

They were replacing all the seats anyway, I doubt there was any extra cost to change a few hundred from blue to red. I think the intent was for the "C" to be displayed when the stadium was empty, not for anything on gamedays.

@PlanCleveland Hit it on the nose. I think it is being massively understated how time consuming and difficult it is to acquire property of this size, especially so when it involves multiple owners. You can't just force someone to sell their land, even if you throw unlimited $ at them. Brook Park is an open expanse of basically undeveloped land at this point where moving existing utilities won't be overly complicated and you have limited obstacles planning out a large scale development like this. From a developers standpoint, you don't get much more "development ready" than a site like this in Cuyahoga County.

I will be surprised if the fire was caused by anything other than a temporary heat source.

Some of the pictures I’ve seen show it spreading to the central wing. So maybe the portion next to the parking garage could be useable. But I also know all the utilities that service the building come in off of Cedar. So that wing won’t have any utility service until the entire building is reconstructed. So you would then have a wing of the building sitting open to the elements for a couple years. Sometimes starting from scratch is the cheapest and quickest way.

There’s next to no chance they reuse any portion of it. Between smoke damage, water/ice damage, and structural analysis, a full rebuild would honestly be cheaper. Id be shocked if they can even reuse the foundation.

While I would love to bury all the power lines and allow the trees to grow, I think it is being understated just how expensive it would be. One of the recent projects I have worked on where overhead transmission lines were buried to a substation for just over 1,000ft cost well over $1 million. And this is in an area where there are no other existing utilities to conflict with. Requiring new developments to do this would be awesome, but it's not the matter of a couple thousand dollars. We're talking 100's of thousands on a lot projects. Then add in the additional coordinating with the electric companies which by itself is an enormous and time consuming task when they are semi-on board with burying their lines and it's a mountain to climb. I'm not sure power companies will ever be fully on board with moving their existing stuff underground for a variety of reasons.

Not to be a downer, but don't get too excited. Fencing isn't for the next tower. If we are lucky it's going to be minimum another year until that has a chance of starting.

Bold of you to assume that the architects and engineers will get paid when projects don't move forward.

Enginerd is right. Independence is moving to the new building on the corner. Couple of restaurants on the ground and some additional office space in the building as well.

And that's probably true. Within the last 1-2 years the Fire Department has becoming an enormous pain. It's amazing the demands and restraints that a large City fire department are making. I expect them out of suburban departments, but not an urban city.

They eliminate left turns across traffic. Reducing t-bone accidents and allows traffic to flow freely onto the highways. Similar to roundabouts once you get used to the flow they are really nice in the correct locations.

Like it or not, but one of the biggest selling points to keeping the stadium where it is is the existing infrastructure is already in place (read: out of the way). I have seen countless projects in the area blow up when everyone discovers there are large sewers, water lines, or other infrastructure under a site. All of which is virtually guaranteed when looking at large blocks in the urban core. Moving and realigning roads looks good on paper from the surface, but the second you look beneath that it can turn into an adventure real quick.

If we're lucky, we might not have to wait very long for a big brother.

Silver Hills is the name of the developer, it's not specific to the flats development. They have done a few throughout the country under the "Silver Hills" name.

If you want to start discouraging seas of asphalt parking lots, start with convincing City Zoning ordinances to change parking minimums. Way to may cities require 40+ parking stalls for a fast food restaurant. At least more places are becoming open to allowing variances from these requirements.

Hey now, no dissing my detention pond! At least that one is curvy and pretty, unlike the other 3 on the site... ha.

Things are churning. I wouldn't expect any construction before next summer at the earliest though.

There's an abundance ($$$$) of sewers under the Pearl site that need to be moved or designed around. I wouldn't expect the last rendering to be very close to the final product if that site gets built on.

I'm honestly still amazed that so much stuff is being proposed and started this coming summer. Materials are so out of wack and unpredictable at the moment. To the extend that some projects aren't even able to get quotes on materials, they are paying market price the moment the truck shows up on the job site. And you better hope you ordered enough, because it can be 6+ months until you can get another delivery.

Typically no, but it depends on if the overhead lines feed elsewhere during the length of the building. Still not impossible then, just would require more re-routing after lines come above ground again. In my experience while power companies are slow, its the data/communication line relocations that kill it. Relocating fiber lines underground (or just in general) can get astronomically expensive very quickly. Like most things, its a time and money situation. You can do anything with unlimited time and money.