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Isn't it just amazing!!!

Im in Houston alot. Downtown has underground walkways and overhead walkways. Around Allen Centre there is alot of activity underground.

Elaborate. Where are needs not being met?

I have to fly to CLE just to see this in person! As many have said.....30+ years!!!

Yea i also saw the Galleria for the first time that weekend. Had a lunch there. It was such a wonderful weekend seeing all of that at one time. And most of it was in full or almost full operation. There were crowds downtown again. People out and about - there for the sake of being there. Well this is all off-topic.

In the late 80's to maybe 1990 or so i hadn't been to Cleveland in 2 or three years. I flew in one Saturday morning and took the rapid downtown to my hotel. When i got off at tower city i couldnt beleive what i was seeing. On top of that a Neiman Marcus was comming...then i opened the door and looked up across the square to the almost completed society bank tower. I was in awe. I honestly didnt know that all of this was taking place. It was amazing

They still send traffic to CLE when EWR, IAD, ORD have problems. Being a large UA station, CLE is set-up perfectly. Plus, it has a customs facility. But the only way CLE regains any semblance of a hub is for O&D to dramatically increase to alot of destinations. Even then, i would only predict an even larger focus city flying more city pairs - which could provide some feed.

Thanks for this. It doesnt show the 1985 runway layout. 36/18 was still operational. With those 1st and 2nd generation jets flying then, the good people of rocky river and fairview park got some real doses of jet noise - USAir BAC-111s would really get your attention even with hushkits

If they went to Detroit, that would mean they also switched airlines from UAL to DAL. I honestly dont know if that actually happened. Thing is, while CLE is not a "hub" it is a significant focus city for United. After the hubs, CLE has the most flights of any other UAL station. They do offer connections thru CLE - not much - but still. I beleive they are now over 40 flights per day. You also have to remember that CO/UAL never really made CLE a major connective hub. Alot of their traffic was O&D generated. To be profitable, hubs need significant economies of scale or high fares. In my opinion, CO/UAL never maximised their profit potential. CO recognised this in 2007 when they announced a major expansion- only to cancell a few months later when the 2008 panic hit, then the merger two years later put the final nail in that

An A330 could work with a UAL codeshare. Or 767 on UAL. There seems to be feed into CLE with these new P2P additions. You are correct quoting Kirby but the recent P2P routes from CLE are permanent. So now UA is offering some significant long haul routes. LAX, SFO, PHX, LAS. Add in AS to SEA and eventually DAL to SLC and CLE is covered fairly well on transcons. And its on a premium carrier. Not Southwest or Spirit. As far as the hub is concerned, no it will not come back. Mid-continent hubs like CLE, CVG or STL arent really necessary. B737s can now fly transcon non-stop. The intermediate stops necessitated by range are no longer required. The only way such a hub could work is if there were significant O&D. The rise in traffic after the hub closure was a result of lower fares. Hubs are expensive and fares artificially high. Once UALs pricing power was ended, fares lowered and more people could afford to fly

Thst must have been memorable. Do you recall the the reason?. Ive been flying over 40 years since my student pilot days and never had an inflight emergency like that. Yes, ive had equipment failure that necessitated a return or immediate landing, but not one that would indicate a loss of control/crash

Prior to 1978 and AAs departure from the Chrysler Bldg for a Texas Prarie, CLE served as an east-west connector for the burgs of upstate NY. They also flew to BOS, LGA and JFK....Imagine 707 service from CLE to ROC, SYR, BUF and Niagara Falls in summer...yes, they had airline service. AA flew to LAX, SFO also, 3x a day to each...this on top of UAs multiple daily west coast service.

If it aint UAL or another Star Alliance carrier, int'l wont happen - well maybe with a major subsidy. UAL or LH could make CLE-FRA work.

Remember....United is the elephant in the room. Any carrier entering CLE market must always be aware that UAL can counter with its base of loyal passengers. UAL has been quietly adding back some city pairs from CLE and from what i understand, they are permanent. They have added back PHX and LAS just recently.

Human warehousing. You should trademark that. So tru

But it seems like a lot more are getting built now. If people are dissapointed now, they should have been around in the 1970's.

Granted, this is a dream, but dreams have to start somewhere. This may not be as far fetched as it seems. Downtown still has a demand for residential that shows no signs of letting up.

I guess all this explains the secrecy of the past couple of years lol....no wonder they didnt want any of these plans leaked.

Correct. This design looks like something that Picard pulled from its generic portfolio.

Maybe the stripes could be different colors...kinda like paint. Its ok, but not really inspiring...

Interesting concept. I hope they can make this work. An ever increasing downtown population should be an asset to this.

There should never be surface lot parking within the boundaries of downtown

Hopefully it looks that good

Im wondering if the angled roof might resemble Citibank in NYC

Why dont we think of it as Fair Market Housing. Some can pay more and others less. Depends on income etc.