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Well... if they are saying the plans above are outdated, that plan is the one downloaded from the city's website so... if redditors are posting images from the decade of conceptual drawing from any number of sources (Rapid5, Rockbridge, Zoo, CDDC, etc)... well... thats silly but it is an anonymous forum. When the people in charge don't get out ahead of it and make an announcement about such a big project, rumors happen. But telling a group of internet nerds 'be careful what you share. It will lead to wrong conclusions....' two ways to solve that. 1. Release the plans. 2. Don't worry if nerds like us get lead astray for awhile lol. I do rather enjoy when people close to a secretive project get defensive like that though.

It took Kansas City 4 years from Ground Breaking to Opening of a nearly identical facility in terms of size and location. 1 million SF for both. 39 gates (vs CMH 36). And built separate of the existing terminal to allow an immediate transition. Ground breaking in 2025 and opening in 2029 would match the next closest project in America.

I dont think the meeting was a full board or commission meeting. Could it have been a private meeting to verify all the details etc. Clerical stuff more than actual review? A Thursday at 10am doesn't line up with any commission or council meetings that I can find.

I agree with JonOh I doubt that had much effect. You don't go from one to the other like that over non binding reaction. You throw out the pie in the sky concept you didn't have the fund to do to begin with to attract investors and tenants to make it work and then you wait or throw up what's cheap and easy... see Millenial Tower for similar approach but different results.

Expensive, yes. But these are not San Francisco and certainly nowhere near Manhattan prices. While you *may* find some units similar in price per square foot, they won't be as nearly as nice or renovated. These are closer to Chicago rents than anything else. That being said. They will figure it out. Throw out the high prices. See what sticks. Let it come down if needed.

Parking is below the apartment units. Most likely typical platform build with parking instead of retail. Ground level amenities and such are limited here because it is still a designated flood plain. (Edit. So any development here is going to struggle with that. It's not a flaw specific to this developer or plan)

That was Millenial Pizza Box Tower. Also known as Dorm Room Trash Jenga

If we could have quietly lost those apartments... boo.

Yours is FAR superior. All hail! 🙌 I really like your alternating approach with Gravity 2.0. Hey, Weiler, I hope you're taking notes. Also, your photo makes me so mad the city hasn't mandated solar or green roofs on parking decks. 😅

Flavortown Approved!

Corrugated panels for days.

I prefer the Looming Lasagna. 15 layers? 15 stories? COINCIDENCE?! I. THINK. NOT.

Not sure even bricking around it would be that great either. Could go across the river. At the very least, move a bulk of it. And having been around the logistics of moving substations in the past, I fully realize the logistics and costs so it's a vanity project more than anything but one I wouldn't hate.

My concern here is how monolithic it will look from east or west. A 15 story wall that is potentially 600ish ft wide is... gross. Even if semi masked by other development still seems... gross.

That substation really interrupts the flow of the new riverfront aestetically. I cant recall if they intended to move it at some point or not?

That is honestly going to be a struggle with much of the UD. And I'm not necessarily upset by that. There's going to be a fine line between wiping out blocks of single or double family homes for the sake of density and preserving a neighborhood. I think there are places for both, but when it comes to this, these decisions should be more carefully considered rather than rubber stamped. Yes, 'it's just two semi isolated' is one side of the argument to take in to consideration. But kind of like other buildings, condition or current use isn't necessarily a factor in my mind. For this site, the opposing and adjacent properties dont provide for continuity as is so I lean toward these are less impactful, but at the same time, if a developer can incorporate them, perfect. A cafe would fit in a first floor of either of those in the same just the same. So asking a developer to maybe give another option in the first go, not the worst thing to me. I really think it's OK for pause. The issue I always have is when developers come back with these considerations in mind, the commission gets their panties in a bunch and says, 'well, we see you preserved them like we asked, but the adjacent building is 1.3ft too tall' ... or 'thanks for preserving half a block of retail but we just don't think a 17 story building belongs where A CVS once stood at High and Lane'... the commission isn't generally willing to give when developers show they are.

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I'm not going to turn down a potential new concert venue for the symphony et al. It is really needed. Especially as some peer cities have found time and money to invest in new orchestra spaces for those that don't have legacy spaces built for orchestras. The Ohio is beautiful. But it's not built for orchestras. And it's not built for stage shows. Adapted, yes. But it's high time Columbus move on to proper venues for the arts. It will certainly be a win in that regard and transformational for that organization(s). Though I anticipate something in the realm of a college campus performing arts center and less along the lines of the Kansas City Performing Arts Center. I agree the vets has been a let down. From the beginning I was concerned with the direction it was going from a museum standpoint. Frankly, if it didn't have national status, I don't think it would still operate as a museum. The programming it offers and the physical spaces as a memorial are fantastic and I don't regret them. I just want more for the average visitor which is why I always wished the city and county would have tried to bring Motts Military Museum to a much larger museum experience in conjunction. Heck, maybe throw in a loaner or two from the Air Force Museum. Much like the other comments, something that provides the constant turn over of people. My Sim City was always vets+Motts, COSI, New arts center for the symphony, stage shows, and art museum, primarily keeping the Wexner modern art collection in mind. Collectors with half his collection have major wings of museums or stand alones (see Pizutti), let alone being the foremost Picasso collector in the world. Add in the fact that Lichtenstein is an OSU Alum and former professor, there is certainly the foundation of a great modern art museum. Plus, the museum offering daytime activation and symphony hall and theater providing for evening activation. Either way, it will be good to see it filled. Even if not the most stunning cultural or architectural piece it could have been, that's OK. The true activation of the peninsula is the mixed use development and Franklinton. Even my Sim City fantasy wouldn't do much if there wasn't a mixed use neighborhood adjacent to it. A condo tower or other tower on that spot would do little more than is already planned for the many acres yet to be developed. Plus, the visual balance of the 3 cultural institutions along the river without towering over it while the rest of the peninsula and Franklinton rise behind it seems ok to me as well.

Does this also impact CAPA and touring productions as well? Blink once for yes. Blink twice for no.

Now that it's public, time to get some press on this because it's a project I am dying to know the details of and would potentially throw money at. I hope it is truly big and transformational as a cultural institution. Even more so than architecturally.

Watch the city put up a fight over the demo of this building with a replacement plan while they let the Naughten and Main Bar be demo'd with no plan. That'd be a fun plot twist. Push out a developer with a plan but roll for those with none.

I like the dig at the 'warehouse district' jagoffs who spent 6 weeks tearing down an 'unstable, imminent danger to public safety' re: the Naughten.

Do we have any solid updates on 15th and High? Feels like there was alot of momentum and then none. The retail tenants are basically full and I'm eagerly awaiting the next phase to get the build out of Pearl Alley and hotel.

What a remarkable difference driving down High street felt today as that last bit gets filled. This and the Nicholas may not be perfect by any means but to finally have 2 (more or less) uninterrupted blocks of buildings from Long to Broad makes such a big difference compared to just a handful of years ago. Also, I might have missed, what is going in the southern half of the Nicholas? Everything south of Speck has been boarded up for a few months now and work is happening. It's a substantial retail front. Could this be the rumored Smith and Wolensky or was there something declared I missed?