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I love when they use helicopters for system installs.

They might not count the top level as a true floor. It's likely considered a rooftop with an amenity room.

The AEP building windows were usually much worse. I think they washed them twice a year? And with as much construction that has been going on in the vicinity, it's just an uphill battle no matter what.

I really like this for the spot. A much better use of a tight spot along 670 for units than the townhomes on Russell/Eden. And I agree, there's plenty of opportunity for these 3-6 unit condo builds like Chicago. (Though there's plenty of controversy around older 3-6 unit buildings being replaced by 2-3 unit builds in Chicago as well decreasing density for high end residential) On small plots where developers can't acquire large plots of land for more monolithic builds, I would love to see this set a trend for developers to seek the small plots for this type of development. The issue of course will be pushback from commissions in adding density in more traditions single family or duplex areas of the city.

I'm just kind of surprised anyone brings up Mall of America as a healthy example in the context of the traditional retail mall. Or that Mall of America is described as 'vibrant'. Mall of America is meh at best. It's a combination average large market 80s/90s mall and IX Indoor amusement park. The mall isn't what has prevented other regional malls from taking over. It's the attractions. They know the traditional mall that MOA offers is a relic of the past which is why most of their future plans are attractions, hotels, conference space etc. They offer very little in changing the shopping or retail experience from what it was in the 1990s and their retail offerings aren't anything special. Let's be honest, Nickelodeon Universe itself is a hold on 1990s.

Honestly though... Is it imminent? No Are there folks with pull or future political ambitions in New Albany who have those aspirations? Probably A few decades from now might they have some sort of merger or annexation? Maybe Will it be called East Albany? Who knows It's all going to depend on how Johnstown sets itself up for the future. It isn't unreasonable to think that annexation is in the future for either. Suburban and exurban annexation is a fairly new battleground in the US. We are used to seeing it with cities and suburb, but suburbs and exurbs are the volatile battlegrounds now. Even in rural/suburban areas around Des Moines. Locally, the Pataskala/Lima Township merger of yonder years harkens to those fears. To push back annexation by bigger suburbs, some rural towns are seeking to annex no man's lands to prevent encroachment. Johnstown, while may never be fully annexed, how much of a buffer will it hold as development surrounds it? Of course, alot of this is impacted by state laws around the country but I wouldn't discount future 'concerns' over annexation or absorption of smaller towns as New Albany grows. As some have said before, more than anything, this is most likely going to lead to further unmitigated suburban growth. That's going to come with lots of battles, requests for annexation, etc. More than many have probably seen.

At best, Eastern Licking county gets a 'lifestyle center' along the lines of Crocker Park, Legacy Village, Fallen Timbers, etc The life spans of malls is generally relatively short as eventually the n3xt best thing always comes along. So Easton and Polaris's longevity is a testament to what they've offered all these years. Easton needs to up its game like it has alluded to fore several years now. They started and it has stalled. And as long as both continue to evolve, I can't really see much coming along to wipe either out. Maybe the Delaware 36 projects with having more than just retail but that's such a long shot. And whose to say that Easton and Polaris don't have the room to add that stuff anyway before they Delaware projects even get out of court. It is surprising that since Ft Whatever closed, neither has filled that indoor Waterpark void. Generally, Columbus can afford more lifestyle centers. I've said the old Children's School in Worthington is ripe for one or that Lennox could easily be revamped as one. I'm honestly surprised that Columbus has kind of lagged behind in the development of these 'mini-eastons' at large and stuck with mostly traditional retail developments. Even when Easton did the eastern section I was surprised they didn't centralize (edit: more of) the retail for walkability.

To be fair, Rhodes is also very unique and easily distinguish Columbus from any other city. 😉 The Columbus approach to the skyline is a product of it's time. In general, our largest buildings were built in a period where many other cities had similar builds, but they've been long covered, masked, or removed. That or nobody really talks about them (Ft Wayne). Chicago has Water Tower Place, Olympia Center, North Harbor Tower, 200 West Madison, Three First National etc etc that were also built during the same period as the Columbus Peak and the similarities to our buildings of the same period is pretty remarkable. But they've been long forgotten with all that happened since or what they had before. Many were built to fill office space for profit as well and not be a showpiece of any particular company's portfolio or brand. Even the showy office towers fit the design of their time (AEP, NW). Our peak building era was the early stages of designing with energy efficiency at the forefront of, and to the sacrifice of aestetic. To really break out of that, Columbus needs companies and developers who wants to have that 'showpiece'. The original North Market Tower design was the closest we have come in awhile. And this is consistent across the board. Lots of infill ends up looking like the finalized Merchant Building across the country, even in Chicago and NYC. But places like Omaha and Cleveland getting showy new towers is directly correlated to (Mutual of Omaha, Playhouse Square, Sherwin Williams, etc) wanting a defining tower. Before NW made the decision to bring office associates to Grandview Yard, they considered a 3rd tower but ultimately decided on a different direction. So who are we going to convince to build the show pieces? I slapped this together a few months ago to show the timeline of Columbus's tallest buildings. The gray is Merchant Building. The last one is OSU Medical Center. It really does show how drastic the slow down was. Now, it obviously doesn't account for the remarkable infill we've had over the last decade so it's really just geared toward skyline junkies.

I post this in jest. And I'll probably post it again periodically. Is speculative light manufacturing construction moving forward after previous plans for similar facilities on this site fell through related to Intel? Perhaps it's enough to push a new owner to follow through so I'll give it *some* leniency... but still....

For Sure. I'm surprised they didn't credit Intel for The Yard Milkshake Bar opening in the Short North at this rate. But they also have to in order to justify the politics of state and local benefits given to the deal. As an example, 161 and the entire area was already on the radar for expansion etc for development anyway. To me, it's neither exciting or newsworthy that an exurb is getting 'an extra lane' regardless of the circumstances. But what feels like 423,912 articles later on expanding 161... cool. 1,654,386 articles on people voluntarily selling their homes... great. 17,534,057 articles on all the speculative ancillary benefits... awesome. 9,742,650,217 stories on people worried about changing the 'rural feel'... gurl bye... /s

^I was going to say that as well. I lived in Northland for several years when I came to Columbus about a decade ago and it is FILLED with families. But there are definitely going to be folks who won't want to touch it with a 10' pole because... well, you know. So the statement should probably read 'I'm guessing white families from out of town with children won't want to have anything to do with the Northland area' But to the interviewees points, it is a more affordable area within close proximity so plenty of transient workers will probably be more than happy to bunk up in the area. And then as the permanent jobs come in, much like any other part of the city, there's a good possibility of increased gentrification. Northland is filled with plenty of small starter single family homes. Probably also more potential for the old tear down and build new model through swaths of Northland discussed in the UA thread As a side note. There are days when this feels more like a road/infrastructure thread or Ohio Business thread. Seems like anytime someone whispers 'intel' it's news. It's big news, sure, but I feel like we are getting too much overload on it.

I've been discussing this for some time now among other circles in that I've often wondered how long Upper Arlington would survive relatively unscathed in growth of Central Ohio as a model for mid century ranch and bungalow developments. In some other major metros, there seems to be a natural progression toward picking these enclaves off. In some cases, nearly wiping out entire communities like this. What once was starter suburban homes close to the urban core or an exurban core is a vast landscape of potential. So here, with the demolition of seemingly perfectly good suburban starter homes, begins that phase. What will remain to be seen is the course in which Upper Arlington takes. Will it go the way of some similar ranch and bungalow neighborhoods in Denver and Charlotte and add density? Or go the other direction of Atlanta suburbs where a perfectly good, recently renovated, ranch is replaced with a New Albany style homes 2-4 times the size of the ranch it replaces while adding no density in terms of population? (Imagine paying 700k for a gorgeous top of the line ranch just to tear it down because you can't live without 4k SF and garage space for your GMV Suburban but you want to walk to uptown etc) Hillard being another example of a place where the growth in popularity and development of Old Hillard may put the surrounding community in the sights of this kind of transition. Then follows the implications, especially if it does not result in increased density, which this particular example in UA does.

A couple of thoughts on what fills the space. - Wouldn't it be neat if the tie-dye guy took the clothing retail spot 😅 - With the booming businesses that are Sahara Cafe and MozMoz, I wonder if the food and high end clothing retail would be attractive or actively recruited to Arabic/Mediterranean/African proprietors. I would definitely not argue with a nice restaurant along those lines. - This corner could become a little pocket cultural hub And yes, I mean Booming. Once MozMoz transitioned to a hookah establishment, the already busy corner from Sahara's business is packed with cars and patrons many nights of the week.

We can barely get the city to paint crosswalks properly, I wouldn't count on ever getting them to do bike lanes right. I'm old enough to remember when this thread was a you know what show over bike lanes, got locked down, and a ton of stuff got deleted and folks begged for it to be moved to the roads threads... Anyway, glad the city took one of my suggestions from that brief moment in history. Lol.

The Whale that German Village TRULY deserved.

In the first concrete (ba dum dum) sign of impending construction, the North Market windows on the east elevation are being blocked in. Edit: Additional photos of the patio area

Conceptually, even putting bullpucky politics aside, it's a moot point and silly thought experiment. 1. Elon needs to own twitter first. 2. NAI would be laughed off the phone call offering Twitter 60,000 sf of office to move the headquarters of Twitter that currently takes up 175,000 sf of space. This doesn't include any satellite offices they have in the bay area. 3. Austin is doing everything they can to get it. Including a private land owner offering 100 acres for free for a delightful suburban campus. -------------- As for the merchant building. I wpuld love to see the sunburst added to the top as well to bring the iconic north market branding upward.

The shorter one looks horrible intentionally. The developer wants the commission to reject it for the taller versions so they didn't add any additional details to make it stand out. @VintageLife beat me to it.

I wonder if the Windsor and Joyce purchase might be the Arena. Would be a big shame if the commission's refusal to approve the parking variance for the Arena forced Rogue to put it out there.

Yikes. But honestly, I think this is a more likely outcome of costs etc. Large projects have lots of overage calculated and more room for profit. A small project like the proposal didn't offer alot more income for the investment. And the investment costs have shot up significantly. I would guess this also applied to the Union Project or the one just north of the cap. It is a shame though. If those three projects had been completed as planned, it would have added just a bit more oomph to the progress of the Short North. And yes, oomph is a technical architecture and development term. 🙃

That would be quite an ironic twist to an area known to build farm style structures and silos for decorative purposes to tear down existing ones.

Its still an active factory and one of the largest grave vault manufacturers in the US. I doubt anything will change with the property for a long time. Maybe some pick-me-up for aesthetic reasons but otherwise, it's a quiet institution that's been around for over 120 years now.

I thought the same thing when CCS decided to add their bond issue to the ballot. The hardest part is deciding which issue to table. Tabling the COTA levy may impact federal funding as well. It would cost more money, but a comprehensive campaign would be a significant help. But in the traditional Columbus way, I can see them just sticking to a modest at best campaign spelling disaster.

Interesting blurbout of the Plain Dealer about the states new transporting bill. The second part is most certainly geared toward the LinkUS initiative. This will allow COTA to use the levy for improvements to sidewalks, trails, bike lanes etc. What a bit of great behind the scenes news. Now, let's start seeing the campaign. COTA and the rest of central ohio governments and businesses are going to have to work hard to get the levy passed and focus on how much is involved. Much like the zoo, if conservative PACs get the upper hand on messaging that it is a huge bill for a special project (brt) then it could easily fail. The BRT is really the bonus with the levy and the overall comprehensive nature of the LinkUS plan cannot be stressed enough

Right. I understand that. Even if it was the same or higher, there's still almost double the gates. And that's why I say operational changes can be made and they would seem to be fairly obvious ones but airlines themselves may be preventing that. Southwest would certainly benefit from almost double the gate space, but Delta might threaten to pull flights. Southwest may demand to keep a more exclusive concourse which may be why it has A to begin with. The dance between airlines and airports is a finicky one. While both operate nearly identical numbers of flights in and out daily, Delta operates many more regional jets that are far less capacity than Southwest's standardized 737 fleet so thats the biggest cause of the discrepancy. Of the 25ish flights departing a day, Delta has less than 5 planes with passenger capactity over 100. Those all go to or from Atlanta. Occassionally Minneapolis. Many flights are 50-80 passenger planes. (#crjStan) Of the 25ish departing flights a day, every Southwest flight has a capacity over 150. So then you're just looking at using the same number of gates for the same number of flights but having more overflow space for passenger capacity at the 6 or so very lightly used gates. And probably still having the same bathroom issues. And that's where new terminals are putting major investment in. The food courts, shops, restaurants, etc. Airports as their own destinations than a simple means from point a to b. How do we get people to enjoy the space and time and spend more money. Just as long as Columbus doesn't adopt the weird 'your gate is also a restaurant' model that Philly did. I imagine that even a new terminal will feel squeezed when all the Southwest flights at one arm are departing in close succession but you'll have the option to go to an empty Breeze gate to feel less crowded that some sort of walkway between our current concourses could have solved any number of years ago. I'm excited for a new terminal, 1000000%, but Columbus also wasn't the smartest in the last several decades on its expansion. But Columbus isn't alone in that either. A fair number of similar sized airports made the same mistakes during the same time period. So there's a lopsided balance to use and efficiency. A bursting at the seams in one area isn't representative of the airport operations and capacity as a whole. I also kind of wish they had a civilian advisory board on this. Or hopefully we see some good public input on what the people want to see out of a mid size regional airport.