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This is great news! I LOVE trader Joe's but despise driving to Easton or Sawmill. While the dead horse idea of the core or the old giant Eagle in VV would be better, this is going to be welcome news for much of us that live closer to the core neighborhoods.

A few more depictions in the WOSU Columbus Neighborhoods Collection https://www.pbs.org/video/christopher-inn-zwnhhl/ Notably in this video, one of the founder of Schooley Caldwell laments the loss of it and the fact it was simply turned into a parking lot for the new build adjacent. These comments mimic a blip in the bizjournal article that the exact location is a surface lot that could still hold the rebuild (probably without the spire). Makes me wonder if Schooley Caldwell is helping now. Also a fun note, the promotional pictures from the time look straight out of a West Elm or Crate and Barrel catalogue today.

It would appear so. There could probably be a market for boutique mid century modern hotel. From a brand standpoint, it would be similar to some of the Marriott Autographs. Perhaps even adjacent to the new cosi. New cosi, meet new Christopher. According to the article, there has been some initial interest from developers so perhaps we will see it. A 16-ish story building would be a welcome development.

That 35' limit is absolute absurd on Livingston. These people are an absolute joke. Maybe they should rent a bus and all travel to historic neighborhoods in Chicago and see how you can have 1800s buildings and new buildings not ruin a character of a neighborhood. They would literally die if they saw how much more historically significant neighborhoods in the US handle things like this.

I feel like they'd be a perfect match at bridge park North Market but it sounds like they are done for good ?

I am a little confused by the defeatism presented regarding the commission being appointed by the mayor and bought. Seems to be an out of place complaint as if they've been steamrolled by the city time after time?

I had to put this somewhere before I lost it in the Facebook minefield. These people are absolutely insane. Certifiable. They would literally die if they saw how other growing and/or large cities, have blends of old and new next to each other. 1800s victorians next to 2000s modern glass and steel. Oh. The. Horror! And yet, they are still wildly successful neighborhoods and the charm and character is still present. Nothing is lost by such juxtapositions. "Nothing is Sacred. Not Even German Village" 'Bad enough they want density in the coolest neighborhoods'.... to which I'd say 95% (ish) was done by building on long vacant land. How dare they! https://columbusfreepress.com/article/nothing-sacred-not-even-german-village?fbclid=IwAR2uERRemH4WUV4kSi1pSXY9Jb9S6ppWc5CHYb1BAx-21FZZtq-H3MCypW8 Edit: other than the typical garbage of 'lifeless boxes with no imagination' regarding design, what is particularly present to me in this article is 2 points. 1. The victim card. As if they made somehow taking advantage of them and creating harm. That somehow, the destination they have gained national attention for is wrong to allow visitors direct access with a nearby hotel, or god forbid condos or apartments. 2. They acknowledge there isn't actually a threat to what has been preserved over all these years. It's all on the borders. (I go back to others suggesting the entire border of german village getting built up with massive buildings outside of GV control)

The irony in the fact that the most hated by its own community was voted number 1 is slightly wonderful. Also, the fact that a stand alone parking garage with some pretty basic screening made the top ten... is.... well.... disappointing. Hooray for public polling lol I wonder what the participation rate of these for CU has been doing. I wonder if it has been going up or down over the years

Idk. I know a fair amount of millenials that would love to own a decent condo without having to spent 500k+ to be downtown and don't want to have to live in the suburban assisted living model style condos. Boomers who can't afford 500k+ would probably qualify for this market. I personally know a boomer family that sold their Dublin McMansion and bought a condo downtown and a condo and Florida to split their time and I'm sure the market would be there for plenty of other empty nesters/boomers who still hold fast to the idea of equity over renting in additional to those that would now prefer to just rent. This just seems like an opportunity to test the waters with some more mid-range condos and see what happens as they don't have the traditional construction costs with building a tall structure. And while condo prices have remained stable, that is typically the case with condos from my experience and understanding. They aren't as volatile as single family homes. This is also the case for neighborhoods in places like Chicago. If course, in today's market, mid range condos would largely be bought up by people looking to rent air bnbs and do little to help the housing market.

The bizjournals articles offered a few new insights: Interesting that the atrium is original. I would have never guessed. I'm a bit sad they have pulled the opportunity for Condos and I'd be curious to see the reasoning. It would be nice to see more large scale condo developments in the core as the apartment boom ticks on.

They come in various colors including brick tones and black. You can get the contractor pack of those colors from lowes. Special order in many cases but they are available. Some siding manufacturer even offer them to match their colors from what I've seen in around the country working with contractors. It's also industry appropriate to paint them. There are proper ways to do it with no issues. There are also different designs that eliminate the concern of using and opening. Just an overlooked detail from the contractor, commission, city, designer or any combination of them.

'Ground floor flex space'. Can be commerical, retail, restaurant, residential etc.

At the very least, they need to be built to sustain additional structure on top. If not retail, I would rather see an extra floor with a set back to accommodate brownstone/townhome style development than an blank garage. . Of course, that lending the viability of having condos therw. But again, my angst against single use parking garages in this city will always be truncated by poor development practices allowed by the city. After all the money that was put into a below grade deck for COSI I had foolishly hoped it would have set the precedent for the peninsula rather than being a one off.

I know the term 'set back' is a bit of a dirty word sometimes but I wouldn't mind a small setback of the garage (leaving the residences hanging over) then with some sort of courtyard elements to compliment the art. A wall, sidewalk side, is still a wall on such a long stretch. Even art wouldn't help the long street side of the Edward's project, or the front street parking canyon IMO. For all intents and purposes, a rotating artist series sounds like billboards to me. I'd rather see a permanent, dimensional, creative installation to cover the garage than rotating panels for artists.

No. I was just there the other day and all was back to normal.

The city will approve it. I don't see them doing much of anything to push back. At the most they will push for some sort of wrapping or disguising. Heck, the city barely managed to do that with it's own garage on Front and I don't think they are going to do anything for the parking garage on the peninsula they will also own. Maybe we will be pleasantly surprised but I'm fully expecting the city to fumble.

The 18 month time frame makes more sense then. My guess though is that it's a more efficient way of delivering materials than a window replacement. $20 million doesn't seem like enough to cover both interior and exterior renovations of that extent.

Is there any mention of the number of units that may be a part of this? Wasn't there discussion of a similar conversion of the fifth third complex that has struggled as well a couple years ago? Hopefully, after the leveque and this, it might spur some more conversions, which might, consequently drive up the demand brand new dedicated class A spaced in a Millenial tower type project.

In the video they so mention 'kayaking to work' as well. I wonder if it's going to include a renewed effort to remove more low head dams... otherwise mentioning that seems kind if moot. I hope it's not a hype campaign for modest changes and actually transformative.

You get hung up on that race track each time. I'm comparing patterns of announcements and vague plans over periods of years vs outcomes. Whether it's a race track, mixed use tower, residential expansions, etc. I'm not sure I can specify or clarify it another way. Let's replace Arshot with any other company that has vague promises. That's just the one that comes to mind as a prominent example. I'll leave it at that. Fair. Let's just hope they want to play catch up on residential just as quickly as they like to build out retail.... ?

We're not on the same page here. I'm not talking about Easton as a mall. Yes, they built a successful mall. I'm not disputing that. To your point, that's the only reason many people come to Columbus from other places and that's the only part of Columbus they know. They have not built a successful community despite saying that's the goal. It's a specific element of Easton (residential) I'm referring to as being arshot'esque. The parallels are even similar when you bring up the original Easton Commons in the early 2000s as I believe Arshot had a successful tower project then too people used to show they are capable of big tower projects. Or even that the new residential building was discovered online and still not formally released by Easton (like mini-Millenial) I don't believe there is an actual equivalency between those two coincidences there but it is a bit funny in the parallel. My equating the two is specifically related to vague language on the future of a particular element of Easton. Easton was happy to tell us the exact square footage of every element of the retail and office and simply state 'residential' without putting any numbers or renderings to the residential portion, to this day. Putting the comparatives aside between Easton residential plans and Arshot, the skepticism is not unwarranted. Other than the 2008 downturn, it's not as if residential hasn't made any sense until now for such a 'visionary' group of developers. And perhaps they are seeing the error in failing to develop residential for so long and catching up. I'll be happy to see the 300 Units as outlined in the permit but I'm waiting, cautiously, on how much more we are going to see anytime soon, particularly on any of the grand visions of Georgetown or Wexner, or if we are going to see it stop there with a master plan that shows future residential and wait another 5 or if it will be 20 years. I hope its 5, but won't be surprised if its 20.

And some of us acknowledged that and want to see a greater push. That contentment isn't what we want to see. That's how this conversation started. My original statement was just that. That one potential residential building is not enough to convince me at this point. Which is a valid concern IMO. We can talk In circles all day but some of us want more and more pressure from the city to get it done.

Im aware. 750 units if I remember correctly. But that's where it began and stopped. Followed by 20 years of 'future residential'... if that doesn't sound like Arshot, I'm not sure what else does. Again, let's see plans and then believe they are serious about it.

FWIW. The 2015 master plan released with the Easton Gateway project listed the area now being developed as future residential and people were excited for that too. Yes, master plans change. But that's pretty much my point, is residential continues to get bumped for retail.

I'm not ignoring it, just treating it like an Arshot project. I guess I'm going on the idea that from its inception, Easton promise of Live, Work, Play has been promising more residences for 20 years with little to show for talking about future residential phases for, what is now, 2 decades.