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I believe you can have a design proposal prior to but soil sampling would be required before any engineering plans are finalized. Millenial tower also went through rounds of approvals and there has been no soil sampling to my knowledge however if they move forward, I assume we will see in order to make sure any foundation plans are sufficient for the building.

Was there a proposal for this space? I'm drawing a blank if there was.

@KJP I can't seem to find it or missed it: does the new TMUD still limit the acreage that this can be applied to? I seem to recall the original version limited projects to a few acres. Is this still the case?

I think they are throwing spaghetti at a wall and seeing what sticks. I think they truly want an arena and I think it makes great sense for the location but it seems they either were caught off guard on the parking or actually thought they would be granted a variance with little issue. It's all so vague that it's hard to gauge.

On the one hand, if Rogue is willing to have limited to no parking, that's up to them and how it affects their business. On the other hand, I really don't think it is terribly unreasonable for the city to demand a details off site parking plan and ride share plan before approving a variance. And perhaps I missed it but I didn't catch that rogue was going to build an off site deck. Just that parking will be available off site but no specification of where. If they were willing to build a garage, surely they could find the space on site to accommodate some sort of garage or nearby and specify the location. But again, they need to pony up the details instead of trying to call bluffs. And in this case, unlike a local team, I can see where there is a parking concern as many of the proposed events outline are not events the community is walking to but rather driving from other cities, hotels, etc. Edit: I will add that I wish other major event venues planned ride share factors better like airports. Designate an area and that where everyone meets their cars, buses in another, etc.

They are either referring to this location or the vast lot on the east of the summit/third street. It was a real missed opportunity when they didnt end up selecting any of the proposals to develop the Goodale section. Edit: https://www.columbusunderground.com/two-15-story-towers-proposed-at-convention-center Also. FWIW, NBBJ who designed the garage had a concept for that lot already as well.

I guess the alternative to building that much on spec is waiting endlessly for a tenant in the way that Millenial tower is. Will be interesting to see what pans out

There are plenty of their minions that will gladly take up the torch and work to prevent another ballot measure. I would expect another handy defeat if they got it on the ballot again. I know there's been rumors for years about Natural History but I expected we would have seen something by now to fuel more rumors. They just died out after awhile. I always enjoyed the rumors about an extension of the Air and Space Museum. Those were most exciting to me. Then there's the perennial rumor of Ohio History but they can't find sufficient funding for a move I suspect. My dream was always an aquarium like the National Aquarium in Baltimore. The footprint is relatively small but the design and height make it a fantastically efficient use of space. That or a new world class concert hall or separate modern museum of art. As much as I'm ok with developing the West end of the peninsula, I personally had envisioned it to be our own version of University Circle. I dont have the money to make it happen so I can't complain too much lol.

Not to trail too far off topic and repeat the endless circles in the Cleveland thread but keep in mind SW is seeking to bring the business AND multiple r&d sites together from what has been expressed. This will require more than just typical class A office space. There is plenty if room for more industrial style buildings If needed in future phases. Also note that in a call with investors the other day, the CEO stated that they aren't terribly excited about investing millions and millions into a new HQ but he didn't say anything to indicate they will only build and own or seek to lease space rather than fronting the building costs.

That spot is to be reserved for a cultural addition of some sort, yes. What form that will take, unknown. My guess is the general shape mimics that of the former zoo proposal for the location. It is something that I wouldn't mind seeing local media address in terms of a prospective cultural institution. There has been one proposal and rumors of all sorts but I'd like to see a plan of some sort. If I was a betting person, I'd say it will sit empty and eventually be resigned to being a mixed use, mediocre design rather than another showpiece to balance the beta if they cant attract any new institution when the rest of the peninsula is filled.

I mean, perhaps technically, but still, Ohio has not seen a Walmart Neighborhood Market yet. It might be a natural step up from Dollar general. Although if Walmart ever does decide to break out the neighborhood market model in Ohio, it will undoubtably be in a suburb like they have in Charlotte rather than the urban model like Chicago.

Perhaps, just maybe, if this is successful, it may show other retailers that the residency volume is there to support everyday retail needs.... and maybe, just maybe, it will convince Target or similar to fill a void and finally get Millenial tower.... or mini millenial built.... .... maybe.... Next step, Walmart Neighborhood Market!

Let's not pretend that a DGX is anything special. Its absolutely a dollar general with about $500 extra dollars in decor from Hobby Lobby, fruit cups, and a coffee machine. It's not like comparing a standard UDF to the new Short North UDF where there is a clear difference in design and layout and overall aesthetic. I'm not inherently opposed as it actually gives downtown, particularly river south, residents general store items but it says something to see it on a signature development. It seems like something that would go perfect into retail embedded in front or rich street retail (if there was sufficient retail available *side eye*) like perhaps the in the Mattan and not on prime real estate but if you can't fill it, then you can't be too picky. I think it will be fine but still a bit funny and representative of the boondoggle HighPoint was overall. I still would have hoped to see a downtown Chicago style Walgreens before a DGX but that also partly because of brand associstion. Ultimately if it serves the same function and offers the same products that downtown shoppers need, then it is a win even if the brand is a bit offputting for that specific location... in prime real estate.... on the park.... lol Heres a look at what the concept is in Nashville:

I'll say it til I die: there is no place for single use garages. They should be outlawed. No exceptions. Something that annoys me with these rendering is the 'placeholders'. The extra building that are all exactly the same to get a 'feel' of what it will look like full. They need to release a rendering with only the actual buildings being proposed and not extra garbage.

Thats alot of skybridges.... starting to look like NW/Convention Center, Crown City or Des Moines with that many elevated connectors.... not sure how I feel about it.

I'm both surprised and not surprised that Delaware hasn't taken a lesson from Dublin and worked to make their downtown denser. While there is something to be said for main street USA, if the smaller towns, even the tiny ones, would work to invite some moderate density in their own cores, that would help too. As much heck as I give Dublin, they are central Ohio's bar for urbanizing the core of a suburb.

I was shocked to see the 1-1.5 unit per acre restriction. That's mind boggling to me. I get it. Some people want that but these communities aren't allowing for those that don't mind being use to each other and like chicago style housing to come in. They act like its going to be the end of the world that someone might choose to live in a denser community in Delaware rather than Columbus or that they will eventually be forced to move Into them. They treat them as mutually exclusive in many cases and not seeking to diversify the community for a broader group of people. But I agree with JohnOh that there is a bit of a disingenuous nature to developers pushing for this as a ways to prevent sprawl. Heck, even just getting rid of bad streets would make them seem more genuine. Even in those other markets they mention sprawl is even more rampant than here. But planning for regional sprawl with a unified development plan is too much to ask. If you've ever been to texas, while it fails to address sprawl, one of the most interesting things was to see miles and miles of 4-6 lane boulevards through farmland because they've pre-planned the infrastructure years before construction even starts in some areas so they aren't playing catch up.

Gravity 3.0! ?

I don't disagree. Reduce all the lanes! More bike lanes! Less parking! Etc etc. The problem is that Grandview doesn't really have to care about that in the grand scheme of things as long as they control their own density on their little island. They may care more if ORR can become a super dense, transit heavy corridor, but even then, they'll still be their own island.

While the sentiment is true, the landlocked nature of Grandview and limited ways in and out was a SIGNIFICANT concern at the time as well and persisted throughout the development. The complexity of navigating around the rail lines to the east barred any easy solution for road expansion (we see how long it's taken just to get 3rd through the system and construct) and that bottle neck as brutal as it is now at times, was feared to be worse with every additional apartment building. Sure, they could have gone much denser with a handful of 10 story buildings but It was a struggle to get started if I remember correctly. And part of the compromise, albeit it was still controversial, was the chicago style homes buffering the new and old. Upper Arlington Pushing for density along lane or Dublins Bridge Park is different as they have much more flexibility in that the road system there allows for much higher traffic volumes and it's not affecting a well established community in the same way. And while that sucks to have to seriously take into account, that's the reality of it. Do I agree? No. I'd love to see additional 10ish story buildings there but I can see where the reality of a suburb not wanting to shake up the status quo. Whether that is good or bad for them, that remains to be seen. Could plans have been changed or developed, I'm sure but I doubt grandview was willing to push or consider more, even from a revenue standpoint to avoid traffic. And as GCrites beat me to it, Grandview probably does not see the argument of additional tax dollars as being as attractive. If they feel their tax base is stable, happy, and draws in enough income to maintain the area with nominal improvements, additional tax dollars probably are not a huge sell to add density there.

I agree. I would certainly bet money on them trying to acquire them if they havent already but those lots have been owned by the same operators for decades, some back to the 1970s. I dont see NRI doing anything on spring until they acquire more and they will certainly run into opposition if they attempt to demolish that building anyway. The only pricing I can find was a sale of one lot in 1997 for $1.3 million. The investment for those lots is likely going to be significantly higher than what they spent on even the Marconi garage. Maybe the sale to the Crew will push some of those purchases along.

While I'm a little disappointed in the physical appearance of 2.0 buildings, the overall gravity experience needs to be the bar for Franklinton. It is and going to be something unlike any other part of the city and frankly, many (not all) of our peers, particularly in the midwest. I hope the commission puts pressure on other developers to take notes when it comes to developing the other large plots owned by others nearby in terms of materials, shapes, public spaces, art, etc. Franklinton needs to be the most original part of the city IMO.

They redid 4th more recently and they just added a pedestrian bump out, lighted, and lined crosswalk at the IBEW/Jeffrey Park crosswalk with two flashing signs. I'd bet money on at least one or two more going in near seventh son/buddy dairy as well. Seems like It's most likely a matter of where things (ie. Development) is happening. Hopfeully a project or two with increased pedestrian activity will convince the city that this very intersection as well as perhaps around Tompkins is worthy of something better. This area is also known for pedestrian/vehicle incidents so you would hope that would hold some weight too.

The overflow tunnel does not improve the infrastructure to allow for greater density. That still needs to be done at the street level. It only comes into play during significant rainy. Ideally, if the proper upgrades are done at the street level, the overflow tunnel becomes less important. (I.e. blueprint columbus) We could build 3 or 5 or 10 of them and it won't help get more density where its needed. Water and sewage main upgrades are what's most important.

Does anyone know if there are plans to bring the street improvements in the Short North and campus up through Old North? I'd particularly like to see the better marked crosswalks, and pedestrian bump outs at those popular crossing locations between traffic lights. Also, have Patrick Js and the 2500 N high projects stalled out? I'm itching to see some new density in Old North.