LlamaLawyer

I don’t really think you can compare settling on a major project like a stadium to settling on a low-rise infill apartment building. It sounds like your concern is the aesthetics, and a building like this can easily be reclad in 25 years. Basically every major city in the U.S. has buildings that look like this. In healthy cities, you get a mix of boring and exciting developments. We do here too. Across the way, they’re starting construction on City Club, which will be a very unique looking development. This is a hugely exciting project because of the density and activity it will add to the area even if it won’t land in architect magazine.

I hear the criticism in that it’s not an exhilarating design, but I’m in the camp of let’s just get 5 of these built and then we can be more picky about design for the next 15.

A lot more like DC if you ask me.

First thing I thought when I saw the render is I hope this is the first of about 20 more of these downtown.

I'm pretty confident it's primarily the latter--folks from Metro A can get counted in the Metro A labor force but Metro B payrolls. If you're looking for someone to quote on it, I'm not your guy, but I'm sure there are some others here who have a more robust economics background than I do and can answer definitively. As an aside, this is routine for Cleveland. If you look at historic numbers, our total nonfarm typically exceed the labor force. In Akron, the reverse is true, with labor force far exceeding payrolls. The reason, I would guess, is that the Cleveland official metro designation is remarkably compact geographically, and there are probably almost a million people who live less than an hour from downtown but aren't in the metro.

The format doesn't matter. The stores do. As long as shops here aren't direct competitors with the shops in either arcade, it shouldn't hurt existing retailers at all.

October BLS numbers looking pretty good. https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/oh_cleveland_msa.htm Again, these numbers are so up and down it's hard to know what they mean, if anything.

@Rando Sinclair Wow! Incredible write up. I had forgotten that Marcy Kaptur will presumably be running again in 2022. That will be a really tight race. What people sometimes forget is that congressional elections aren't just generic Republican vs. generic Democrat. There are always two candidates. While Trump won Ohio by 8 points in 2016 and 2020, Sherrod Brown won by 7 points in 2018. A lot of these districts will come down to the personalities. While there are 13 districts that a generic Republican could win, someone like Jim Jordan would have a really tough time in the districts we're talking about. People see +10 R district and think that's a shoe-in Republican district, but it's really not. From Trump in 2016 to Sherrod Brown in 2018 to Trump in 2020, you have a 15-point Democrat swing followed by a 15-point Republican swing. Swings like that happen all the time, because people also vote for people, not just parties. And that's why the Republican-drawn map is risky. Because while a +10 R district can mean a lot of close elections, a +30 R district almost never would.

Regarding some of the above discussion, it's important to add that question phrasing changed with the 2020 census, so a significant percentage of the "black flight" is really just people who identified as black in 2010 identifying as "other" in 2020. That explains the enormous growth in the "other" category. With this in mind, I believe the data shows most of the black flight is just to suburbs, not out of the metro.

The flip side is that the map is fairly risky. The Republicans could easily have drawn a 11-4 advantage map where the 11 R districts would all be fairly safe long term. Instead we have basically a 13-2 map, but only 7 Republican districts are really safe. 2022 looks to be a good year for Republicans everywhere, but 2024 (and later if the map survives that long) could see Republicans losing several seats.

I don't think the degrees of visibility will be a big deal. The lighting looks like it will be pretty apparent unless you're directly perpendicular to the building. Maybe not visible from 360 degrees, but 330 degrees or so. 😉

Long term, the Cincy district probably will be, but polling is looking like a red wave in 2022. Akron/Dayton just aren't big enough to offset the other counties in their districts, but both districts should be fairly competitive.

https://www.cleveland.com/politics/2021/11/ohio-republicans-introduce-final-congressional-redistricting-proposal-aiming-to-give-it-first-set-of-approvals-today.html Looks like this is probably the one. Some of these districts I'm not fond of, but in the grand scheme of things, the map isn't THAT bad. Interestingly enough you have six districts (1st, 9th, 10th, 13th, 14th, 15th) that are basically tossups in the long run. Seems like Republicans are putting all their eggs into the basket of a map that will give them a 13-2 advantage in 2022--and this map probably will do that. But, particularly as demographics evolve throughout the next decade, this map could realistically be 8-7 Democrat if there were a blue wave election.

Unclear. The reason it's getting taller is that the floor plates will be reduced and it's getting taller to compensate. The area between St. Clair and the garage is getting 50' wider and as a result looks much more like something you could build on. So that's a BIG improvement.

Feel stupid?? There was no groundbreaking! They won! /s

The lighting is a nice touch that's going to improve the final look a lot. Also will tie in nicely with the city since we have pretty interesting lighting on some of the most prominent buildings. "Cleveland, city of light, city of magic . . ." 😉

I sorta hoped they'd have some plan for the site since if something ended up being here it would represent the westernmost point of the Main Campus. But I won't shed any tears over this. While it's sorta historic it's also sorta ugly. Sounds like the Clinic gave the facilities the old college try, and I can't blame them for failing to find a way to integrate a turn of the century theater complex into a 21st century hospital.

Sounds like the Clinic is "going west."

...And I have to ask - Do you consider it mostly good or bad?

Gorgeous! And some o' y'all said you wanted it to stay orange! 😉

The brickwork in general looks so good. Real brick vs. crappy paneling is such a visible difference.

https://www.crainscleveland.com/health-care/jobsohio-details-spending-commitments-cleveland-innovation-district Cleveland Clinic is going to be getting $45,000,000 in exchange for creating 8,500 jobs. At $5300 per job that seems like a pretty good deal for JobsOhio.

I like the idea it just seems like it doesn't really solve the problem. If a homeowner can form a JV with 19 other folks who want the same kind of condo, then why can't the developer find those people instead? It seems like the problem is getting 20 people committed to buying a home they can't see and that won't be built for two years and that problem is present no matter who is soliciting them. As far as holding the construction company harmless, that could negatively impact the homeowner's ability to get insurance and therefore financing.

It fits in great. Lots of density in this area of Cleveland Heights and the people who said it would be out of scale were smoking something.