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There are a few photos including the side view posted by @ExPatClevGuy which show the peaks are NOT the same height. I personally think the equal heights looked a lot better.

I don’t think you can compare this tower to Terminal Tower or Key Tower. The styles are so different that it ultimately comes down to personal preference. The towers that you can compare SHW to are the Lumen, the Hilton, and perhaps the E&Y building. To me, the SHW building is clearly a higher caliber design than those three. Also, if you compare the renders to Chilton’s recent work, I think it’s one of their nicest designs.

By the way, one thing I’ve never felt clear on— Is the “barista” actually a Barista brand store or is it just a generic term for coffee shop?

Initial thoughts— 1. The tower is very nice and about what I expected. It does seem like the two peaks on top aren’t symmetrical. I.e. the west one looks shorter. That annoys me although there’s no real reason it should. 2. The w. 3 garage facade is really nice. I think that’s a huge win and I like the glass so much more than a lot of the other facades you see which look like artsy bullet riddled metal. 3. The pavilion looks like an extension of the tower which makes it stand out a lot less. I guess that’s a good thing? 4. The landscaping looks like an extension of public square in a very welcoming sort of way. I worry how much it will actually feel that way though given there is a fairly active street dividing it.

I think we have to see what the “fountain and some trees” actually look like. When you use a reductionist description of course it sounds blasé, but depending on the design it could also be an important and unique extension of Cleveland’s most important public space. I’m not necessarily optimistic but you never know! There’s currently only one fountain downtown as far as I’m aware (the splash pad doesn’t count).

@KJPHoly moly, that article is like 5 articles in one.

You know it’s not finished, right? 😉

https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/oh_cleveland_msa.htm BLS data out. Looks pretty positive. Highest employment since the start of the pandemic. Not a full recovery yet; the employment and unemployment are basically where they were in 2014.

@KJP I shared this with a couple connected people I know. I would suggest you also share it via twitter, given your tweets have more reach than posts on this forum.

Specifically what kind of housing pledges are they looking for?

Yes, we should. The U.S. birthrate is not at replacement level. Neither is Ohio's birthrate. The post-covid projections are that world population could peak as soon as 2060 and might never even reach ten billion. Sustainable living for a population that size (or larger) is certainly attainable, even if it will require some people not living where they currently do (i.e. the desert) and many people cutting back on their consumption. Birth rates below replacement are economically problematic as evidenced by the problems that already exist in Japan. I'm not saying everybody should have ten kids, but if we want the baby born yesterday to have a reasonably comfortable retirement in 75 years, we would do well to have approximately equal births and deaths along the way. Source: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/17/a-new-forecast-says-the-worlds-population-will-peak-at-97bn-in-2064

Glad to see we're on the list. Agree our website could be better, but most of the websites are pretty terrible, lol!

I gotta say I love this project and I love the TMUD program but I'm a little disappointed by how many projects are seeking the TMUD. I think this was alluded to in @KJP's article. The developer partnership just built Church and State very successfully, and without any unusual financing. This project is bigger, but it's in the same ballpark as Church and State. Obviously you never know what will happen, but my gut tells me there's a pretty good chance this project could get off the ground without a TMUD credit. Maybe they've totally exhausted their other financing options, but that's not the vibe I get. By applying for the TMUD credit, the developers are ultimately either (a) soaking up money from other projects that really need it, or (b) significantly delaying their project because they're going to have to find the financing they should have gotten in the first place after the TMUD falls through. It just seems like if this project gets a TMUD and thereby prevents Centennial from getting money they need or prevents NuCLEus from reaching an ideal form, that's a shame. Similarly if the project misses a TMUD and gets set back a year as a result, that's also a shame. I just hope these developers aren't pursuing TMUDs unless they really need them. Christmas only comes once a year, and sometimes you gotta mow some lawns to get the new bike you want instead of just waiting for Santa.

As a father of 3, I 100% agree. One bit of low hanging fruit is playground access downtown, which is improving, but needs to get even better. The Irishtown Bend park will ameliorate this problem for the flats, but is too far away from the east side of downtown. Another item is attracting immigrants, since most immigrant groups tend to have more kids than the average American.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/08/how-big-is-this-former-cleveland-mayor-mike-white-is-endorsing-justin-bibb-this-week-in-the-cle.html Mike White endorsing Justin Bibb. This seems pretty important.

I can't make it, but I hope everyone has a great time! I really appreciate all of you and this forum.

Per my above comment, I'm not sure this is actually the takeaway because in ALL OF the collar counties (i.e. Geauga, Lorain, Lake, Medina) the over 18 population increased by a substantially higher percentage than the total population did. So I don't think we have any reason to believe the collar counties are grabbing families with kids from Cuyahoga. It seems like there is a broad nationwide trend of people not having as many kids.

This trend is true many places. Using the Indystar website, you can find lots of cities, and it's the BROAD trend that 18+ population increased more than total population. In Chicago, for example, the over 18 population increased by more than 6%, with the total population rising only 1.9% So it appears notable because in Cuyahoga county it's the difference between a loss in one category and a gain in the other, but the trend seems nationwide.

We will never really know this because the census doesn’t have a way of recording where you live in a year not ending in 0. The ACS tracks this and resulted in the estimates which were published annually from 2011 to 2019. While these estimates are revised from time to time, I do not believe they are revised based on actual census data.

I disagree. Deindustrialization was important, but there were many factors that led to population loss. It’s a bit deceiving to say all rust belt cities lost population, because losing population is a defining part of the rust belt. Philadelphia, Seattle, and Minneapolis all dealt with deindustrialization. Philadelphia and Minneapolis are not considered rust belt because they experienced wonderful turnarounds. Leadership does matter and to deny the fact is to be a fatalist.

Hopefully the housing boom spills over and helps with rehabs in some neighborhoods. A lot of places probably aren’t worth it, but some are. Collinwood and Glenville both have a lot of housing stock that is in the “bad but not THAT bad” sweet spot, where some cost effective renos could happen.

One thing that really stuck out to me about the census was Shaker Heights. Shaker’s population grew nearly 4% from 2010 to 2020, and it grew in every single racial and ethnic group measured.* Very few communities in the county can say this. Shaker also has clearly the best public transit rail connectivity of any suburb. Any thoughts on how we can use this info to reignite discussion on rapid route extension, particularly as the city and county sit on millions of dollars they are trying to use (and I would also point out that, although it hasn’t been talked about much, individual suburbs got tons of money too; Cleveland Heights and Lakewood are each getting more than $40 million.)? @KJP *technically the category “black alone” fell slightly but the drop is almost certainly due to a change in how multiracial people are counted as opposed to an actual drop.

Lots of good info in this article: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/08/cuyahoga-county-cities-are-growing-increasingly-diverse-census-2020-shows.html

100%. And single family homes can be quite dense if properly planned. If you build eight homes per acre and each home has two people, that’s 10,000+ people per square mile. Cleveland and Detroit had lots of neighborhoods just like this.

2000 yes, 2010 no.