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https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/oh_cleveland_msa.htm Cleveland-Elyria jobs numbers looking great this month, even as the state lost jobs. 25K jobs added, with 2K fewer unemployed. Every sector either improved or was virtually flat m/o/m.

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Here's a purtty new rendering. EDIT: I thought this was a refreshed view of the old rendering, but on comparing the two, it may actually just be a reused rendering.

Anyone know what happened this morning re the MLK Library and Library Lofts?

I kinda thought they'd want it at E. 105 and Carnegie, but I guess Cedar makes sense too. It's gonna be a pretty substantial (tall) building, because I don't really think there's anywhere you could get more than a 40,000 sq. ft. floorplate. The most logical place on Cedar would probably be just east of IBM, which would require somewhat smaller floorplates. The other option is multiple connected buildings.

Thinking about big trees for wind-breaking is a fine idea (and could be considered for the other malls!), but I strongly disagree with everything else you're saying. First off, I think you're overdoing the "oh, Cleveland has terrible weather" thing. Yeah, downtown gets uncomfortable in the winter. There are areas that get really windy. But, really, it's just December through February that are consistently bad, November and April are hit or miss, and May through October are basically beautiful. If the windswept cold was so bad, people wouldn't live downtown right now, but they do. For more than half the year, a trip to the lakefront is nice and comfortable enough to be justified, and some kind of enclosure for pedestrians is totally unnecessary. Second, the things that make an area good for the "weekend visitor" also make the area good for downtown residents and even the new lakefront residents in what would essentially be a new neighborhood. The lakefront is not maximized unless it is a destination. Let me say it differently: If the lakefront is maximized, then it will be a destination. I recognize the plan is pie-in-the-sky and the eventual execution almost certainly won't be quite as grand. But what exactly would be better than this proposal?

Because it's dope.

Actually, this plan makes me see how vibrant the lakefront could be even with FES. The combination of park space, what's presumably residential and what's presumably retail is just so on point. There aren't many ways the plan could be better. What are you going to replace FES with except more of what's already in the plan?

There’s one part that’s sorta like the big steps at Lakewood Park but looking down on train tracks. I think the renderings don’t do justice to how cool it would be. Frankly, I’m just blown away by all these renderings. I get that it’s just conceptual and there have been lots of lakefront plans that failed, blah blah, but this concept is really really exciting. If built as rendered, this could be the coolest area in the city.

I think focusing on the fact that there’s no bridge over lakeside is focusing on the wrong part of this massive conceptual plan lol. Jimmy dished out $1 million for the plan which means he’s serious about doing something. Let’s gooo!!

^^If that map would actually be permissible then maybe I’m being too optimistic. Although I will say that 2nd district would be quite competitive, so you could still have 12-3.

Do they have buried substations? Seems like this could be a good candidate.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-up-and-moved-during-the-pandemic-heres-where-they-went-11620734566?mod=trending_now_news_pos1 This article is highly confusing to me. It appears to show a net out migration from virtually every urban county in the country, including booming counties like Fulton and DeKalb, GA (Atlanta); Davidson, TN (Nashville); Franklin, OH; Marion, IN (Indy); and Travis, TX (Austin). Somebody wanna explain this to me?

I drove by the site yesterday and saw no activity and cars parked where they had been prepping.

The unprecedented pace looks like regression to the mean to me. Let's hope a relatively high pace continues and it doesn't take us ten years to reach 2019 numbers again.

The way metros are defined has long been a source of annoyance to me. As an example, the Phoenix Metro is 15,000 square miles with a population of about 4.5 million. If you put the Columbus Metro and Northeast Ohio (not just the Cleveland Metro, but ALL of Northeast Ohio) together, you have a land area of about 12,000 square miles that has a population of almost 7 million people. This imaginary Ohio metro would basically encompass all of central and northeast Ohio, and would be the sixth largest metro by population. So the metro definitions, while understandable, will always be sort of deceiving. Urban area (though imperfect) is the best way to define population in accordance with lived experience of being in various cities, as I think a perusal of the Wikipedia listing demonstrates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_urban_areas But stepping back, I know I only care about all of this because I'm a demographics nerd, like many on this site. Boston and San Francisco technically have metros with populations smaller than the Phoenix metro. But I think anyone would recognize that Phoenix is really incomparable to either Boston or San Francisco. We live in cities in real life, not on paper. If there's an argument for any paper change, it would be a city-county consolidation both for the efficiencies and because it makes per capita income and crime rates in Cleveland look better so that Cleveland wouldn't show up so badly on those lists. But again, people live in cities in real life, not on paper. I think this town is moving the right way and I pray the real census numbers will show at least a teeny bit of urban population growth which is critical for the region to be the best it can be no matter how it's divvied up on paper.

Thanks, I totally misread that part of the article. My optimism is back then! I know Stark isn't guaranteed a TMUD credit, but he's got to have a leg up on any competitors. And there's enough money that two big projects can get a TMUD next year, so unless NuCLEus gets beat out by TWO other projects, Stark oughta get one.

Do you still understand they intend to start this year? If so, that would rule NuCLEus out for a TMUD since the program won’t be running until 2022, right?

Saw construction getting underway at e 79 and Carnegie this afternoon. Is that related to the Signet development or something else?

Interesting the 2020 estimate was down from 2019. Which means the extra 110k somewhere in the state is really an extra 113k! 😉

They're out now. It's immediately apparent they weren't revised at all based on the 2020 state-level actuals, so I'm not sure what it's worth. They have Cuyahoga County falling slightly from 2019 to 2020 at essentially the same rate as 2018 to 2019.

Obviously there is downsizing (and other firms are growing their downtown presence at the same time, i.e. CrossCountry or the 700+ new Rocket Mortgage hires). But why would you think this is the tip of the iceberg? The pandemic is 14 months old now. Every company that can possibly experiment with remote work has done so for a long time. I work in a building out in the suburbs that was basically decimated by the pandemic. Almost nobody left in the building. Some folks broke lease and are never going back to any office again. But the office occupancy in my building is higher now than it was at the end of 2020. The people who will do remote work forever are doing it right now, while a lot of the firms that are going to go back to the office haven't fully done so yet. EDIT: Here's a loopnet article for some actual data. https://www.loopnet.com/learn/office-tenants-mostly-holding-on-to-existing-space-into-2021/1108175990/

I think the argument he is trying to make is that free daycare incentivizes people to work instead of staying home which saturates the labor market and drives down labor values thereby hurting the labor class and benefiting the upper classes. He also seems to think that two-parent households in the labor class have a preference for one parent staying at home while upper class two-parent households do not. Now does any of that make sense? Unclear. But I think that's what he's trying to argue.

Maybe we can each chip in a few bucks and buy OTCA some redbull to get this thing done! 💸💸💸 I'm still cautiously optimistic about NuCLEus getting a credit in spite of this article. OTCA is going to be working hard to get the program together in time for applications by June 30, and even if they miss that deadline the hard work should mean the program is ready shortly after. The disappointing thing would just be if the prior year credits evaporate into thin air... That will hurt someone, even if NuCLEus still gets a FY 21-22 credit anyway.

I am definitely amused by the fact that folks in this thread are pretty sure most of the 110k population surplus will fall in northeast Ohio, while most folks in the Columbus thread expect the Columbus metro to pick up most of the same 110k.