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1000% better.

I’m just excited to see a render. This article gives me a lot of optimism that the ground level interaction will be high quality. 27 stories is really not that disappointing. We’re talking about a 400 ft tower at minimum. With average sized floors and a crown, you could be at 500 easily. That’s a tall building. It’s not like they’re building a 7 story campus. I’m looking forward to increased regional prosperity, to filling in every parking lot in the CBD, and to revitalizing the entire Euclid corridor from downtown to UC. If that happens and we never get another 500’+ building, I will be one happy camper and will say thank you SHW for your contributions.

@KJPI love you for putting my dad joke at the end of your article. Somewhat disappointing if the rumors are true, but only disappointing in comparison to other rumors. Still a huge win for the city. Thanks for great reporting as always.

LEGS MEANING . . . CASSIONS??

Unless they didn't like what they found when they drilled.

25 stories * 17 ft./story = 425 ft. 20 stories * 17 ft./story = 340 ft. Even if that's true, we're talking about the two tallest office buildings built in the city in 30 years, which would be the 8th tallest and 19th tallest respectively after construction. Both would also be the tallest buildings ever to have stood in each respective location. And the one on the superlot would be the second tallest building ever west of W. 3, barely beating out E&Y. So, I would (like all of us) still love to see an 800 footer and a 400 footer right next to each other. But my disappointment would be measured. And of course the jobs are what really matters. Gotta get the region's economy firing on all cylinders first and foremost. If they come, we will build it, not if we build it they will come.

What's key to me out of this story is that it's being sold to a prominent local chef. There are only a few people who that could be. I would sort of wonder if it's Doug Katz, since he just lost his big flagship and has been testing the waters nearby with Zhug. In any event, hopefully the change in hands doesn't end in a revamp of the restaurant, but merely some tweaks or additions to the menu (or maybe no significant changes; if it ain't broke don't fix it!). I'm not old enough to remember most of the timespan, but I'm told Nighttown has been amazingly unchanging for the last 50 years (and through previous ownership changes, I might add). It's sorta curious that the acquisition includes the bank that's becoming a drive-through Chipotle. Not sure why a prominent chef would want to own that.

In my opinion, it's better in person at street level. When you're looking at a picture singling it out, yes there are some absurd design choices. If you're just walking down the street, the building basically blends in.

To synthesize some of the above points (including my own), the successfulness of these flips is an amazing thing for the region even if the homebuyer isn't "new to the area." I've been kind of shocked at how houses in Cleveland Heights are getting beautifully remodeled and immediately resold for more than 200% of the previous value. Obviously these remodels create value and wealth in the area even if they're bought by someone who is from the area. Here are two examples. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3309-Fairmount-Blvd-Cleveland-Heights-OH-44118/33663085_zpid/ https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3164-Berkshire-Rd-Cleveland-Heights-OH-44118/33657395_zpid/ To the other point about homebuyers who are "new to the area": one home is still pending, so I can't track down the buyer, but the other appears to have sold to someone who relocated to Cleveland between 2015 and 2019. So that person wouldn't necessarily strike a realtor as "new to the area" but for census purposes they will be.

Jeez, that feels too bad to be true, lol. That's more than half a percent in one year. Also have a hard time believing Ohio is losing population in any calendar year.

I've just got to add that these pictures really don't do justice to what Knez is doing. You have to drive around some of the streets, and it's pretty shocking when you do. It's like finding yourself in the middle of a brand new subdivision . . . but it's in Glenville. Glad to hear there are some SOLD, since there were none last time I drove around, a few months ago. What I really hope is that the new developments don't drive existing residents out, either because residents are actually priced out or because they feel like the neighborhood is too "gentrified" and not like it used to be. Moreso than any other places on the east side that are just starting to turn the corner, Glenville actually has a dense population and a strong community feel. From all I've heard, some of the smart community minded folks like Famicos are trying to leverage the new development and existing community to benefit each other as opposed to becoming a source of conflict. Hopefully that works out. If 70 years of violence and decay didn't manage to eradicate the neighborhood, it ought to be able to withstand some thoughtful infill.

If my realtor represents mostly first-time home buyers and most of the out-of-state buyers are boomerangs, that could explain why my realtor isn't seeing many folks from out of state since I can't believe many boomerangs are first-time home buyers.

Spoke to my realtor the other day and she said nearly all the demand she has seen has been from first time home buyers who are not new to the area although one or two she represented were out of state. That was surprising to me, because I’ve used Zillow, county records, and LinkedIn to scout out recent home buyers on the east side, and nearly half appeared new to the area. In other news, BLS data for November is out and shows most everything pretty flat. After the last few months, I question whether the BLS data is worth more than my above anecdotes though.

Can we get a separate thread for the Rock Hall expansion? With the $100 million price tag and design controversy I’m thinking it’s a big enough and important enough project for a dedicated thread.

The bottom photo showing the concert at night actually looks real nice in my opinion. And that's probably the biggest part of the PAU website's softening my heart. The cladding is going to be galvanized steel, which could look really nice and get attractively gritty with age. The firm does have an impeccable reputation. Maybe we're just a bunch of old curmudgeons that don't understand rock & roll...😉

This NYT article has more info. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/arts/design/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-expansion.html Basically they want it to look bad because rock n roll. EDIT: Found the architect's page on the project too. https://pau.studio/what/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-and-museum/ Reading their thought process on the design makes me warm up to it a bit more, though I'm still not sold.

I don’t understand why they’d be looking at a color scheme that so directly clashes with the existing building. If it were just white and glass, it would probably look fine even if it blocks part of the rock hall from some angles.

With interest rates down in that damp part of the basement and SHW's DTE ratio constantly improving, one would think the execution of this project will only get bigger.

The above answer about city requirements may be correct, but I'd also point out that asphalt is really expensive right now. It might not save as much money as you would think vs. concrete.

Please nobody tell Sam Allard about this. "DaN GIlBeRt IS 36 BIlLiOn RiChEr ThAn lAsT yEAr But WE sTIlL bAIl hIm OUt."

Other than Stager Beckwith, Drury, HW White, Mather and this one, are there any other mansions left on Euclid?

Justin Bibb is a principled and intelligent guy.

The numbers you are posting must have been revised. The 2009 estimate was 431,363. https://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2011/03/census_bureaus_2009_population.html EDIT: Also if you look carefully at the methodology in the link you posted, the estimates you linked to are made after the 2010 census and based on its results. So they're probably quite accurate, but they were also generated in 2012, not 2009.

I wouldn’t doubt they’re more accurate. If the absolute value of the error is 1/3 of 2009, that would put us either at 394,000 or 368,000. Either of two numbers would tell a very different story than if the estimate is spot on.

This is going to be far, far clearer once the actual census numbers come out. The interim year estimates are just that--estimates. They are often way off. From the 2009 estimate to the 2010 census, Columbus "gained" about 19K, Cleveland "lost" about 38K, and Cincinnati "lost" about 9K. The smallest discrepancy was 9K, which is equal to 50% of the total estimated change in Cleveland from 2010 to 2019. Generally, the census estimate is conservative about gains or losses, but it sometimes goes the opposite direction. From 2000 to 2009, the census estimated that Philadelphia had lost about 50K people. But when the 2010 census occurred, it turned out that Philadelphia had actually gained about 15k over that time (i.e. the census estimate was off by 65K). The same thing happened in Milwaukee where the census estimated a substantial population loss (approx. 13K from 2000 to 2009 and the 2010 census revealed the population was almost exactly static. So I think we'll have to hold off on judgments about 2023 or 2024 until we see the census results. It's within the realm of possibility that Cleveland has actually already gained population since 2010. I'm not saying I expect that, but it wouldn't be an unprecedented error. It's also possible we've lost more than twice what the census estimates, and in that case I'm pretty skeptical of the 2023 or 2024 numbers unfortunately.