LlamaLawyer

I am very surprises there haven’t been more O-Zone projects under way. Lots of proposals, but few if any shovels in the ground. The O-Zones funds are basically time-sensitive free money. If you’ve got a bunch of capital gains you don’t want to realize there is basically no better investment.

Wow, these (Warner and Swasey) are very affordable. It's always nice to see affordable infill along with all the luxury and quasiluxury (e.g. a $1200 400 sq. ft. studio) developments. This is still a city where 1 in 3 live in poverty.

Beacon is from Stark who, by the way, appears a little better prepared on the marketing front and a little more poorly prepared on the numbers front than the typical developer I mentioned above. ? Anyhow, that's all I will say before this gets too derailed.

In my experience many developers are very good with numbers but not as good with sophisticated marketing. I bet your pet peeve is picking up on that.

$1200/mo. for a 421 square foot studio and there's a wait list for those units but not the others. Very interesting. That may bode well for City Club Apartments.

I can't be the only one itching to know what this means.

Awesome work, @Geowizical! What a dramatic difference. By the way, here are some of the Stonebridge views that would be impacted by the 2208 tower.

Wow, awesome scoop as always, @KJP. If this all comes to pass with the speed it seems it may, we’ll have to rename the area Tall Hingetown.

Yikes.

No, the $357 includes the superblock and Jacob's lot.

This project and others like it are so exciting. I wouldn't have believed even five years ago there would be this much new development in Hough! I've got a feeling that wood paneling will not age well, but it will look sharp for fifteen years--and at this rate Hough in 2035 may look surprisingly different!

To be fair, most buildings are essentially boxes.

Seattle has had a bunch in the past decade that are about on this scale (thanks, Amazon), if you're looking for comparisons.

The construction prices vary so much building to building. There are plenty of examples that are more money for less space, but there are plenty of examples that are within the SHW price range too. Here's one that's fairly close to the SHW space needs and was only $200 million building cost, with parking in the base. https://www.martinmartin.com/project/1144-fifteenth/ Also, a lot of these numbers we are throwing around may be project cost, not building cost. The SHW HQ project cost is $360 million, which is pretty close to the PNC figure anyway.

That's pretty cool, but it's going to cost $1.3 billion to build. https://www.bldup.com/projects/boston-harbor-garage

Let me also say on an optimistic note that if we're hoping for a nice 40ish story tower (and why shouldn't we?), the budget stated should accommodate that. C.f. https://www.architectmagazine.com/project-gallery/151-north-franklin_o; https://philly.curbed.com/2013/11/1/10180388/rounding-up-all-the-renderings-for-the-fmc-tower-at-cira-south

These numbers have got me scratching my head. How on earth does SHW expect the building construction cost for the R&D facility to be $5 million MORE than the HQ building construction cost. Is R&D 2x more expensive to build per square foot than standard office?

Maybe they're supposed to act like speed-bumps for the folks who drive their bird scooters 45 miles per hour down the Prospect sidewalk.

I hope they're trying, but I so seriously doubt this would happen. The existing facilities are not big enough. Tesla Freemont is 5.3 million square feet. Walton Hills and the engine plant combined are almost 2 million square feet short of that. I also strongly suspect Tesla wants to stay in the southwest, otherwise they're shipping their batteries halfway across the country to make cars.

Obviously, you don't know what's gonna happen until it happens. Even shovels in the ground can result in an unfinished pit rather than a project. But let's be real, most of the activity on this forum is essentially pre-shovel excitement.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/us.census.bureau#!/vizhome/2020CensusSelf-ResponseRankings/RankingsDashboard Looks like the census response rates in Cleveland proper are pretty poor right now. I'm curious, does anyone knows whether poor census response rate is indicative of lower than predicted population or has nothing to do with it?

It'll be a top-20 Cleveland building in terms of skyline presence. And the retail surrounding the garage (at least in previous versions) will revolutionize the feel of the area and create a much bigger continuity from East Fourth to the stadiums. We also still haven't seen the "real" renderings, just a detailed massing. Stark's designs for high rises have consistently been at least very interesting, if not very good. I'll just be happy when it gets built. And at this point, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect it will get built. If Stark weren't serious about the project, it wouldn't be on version 3. This is not just marketing for Stark, because the delays and downgrades in the project have made this more of embarrassing PR than positive PR. I think they're serious about building something, and the numbers seem to add up for them.

This makes me really happy. I think a building of that height would be wonderful and actually create a more balanced feel than a supertall would. And in any event, if it’s a similar height to 200 PS, I would bet it will feel taller, since it can’t be set back too far from the square like 200 PS is. Also, I would be so surprised if the need for office space goes down significantly in the medium term because of work from home. The ability for most office employees to work from home has existed for 10 years or more. Even if the culture changes somewhat, I just have trouble envisioning a future where most people aren’t going to the office at least a couple times a week.

Maybe the Buckingham folks and architects should have focused on the blase, questionable development across the street rather than the pretty attractive and well thought out one next door.

After years of public meetings secretive, closed-door talks, the elected city counsel "they" finally had their way and overcame the vocal opposition by four retired architects, seven residents who live next door, and a feral cat the overwhelming majority of the people in order to build the first major development in the city in years the ugliest building in the County on a lot that used to house a large, ten-story tower was unequivocally the most beautiful grassy field in the state and the most utilized green-space in the western hemisphere.