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no, i still don't see it lol.

ok, colday here is your comparison colday is saying it looks like the world trade center falling over... thats really stupid comparison dude.

i was bron and raised in Cleveland, and attend Spalding University. more facts, and a new rendering of MP. Louisville's skyline got a virtual shakeup a little more than a week ago when the design for a radical 61-story skyscraper was unveiled. Museum Plaza, slated to be completed in about five years, is a residential, commercial and museum complex being developed by Louisvillians Laura Lee Brown and her husband, Steve Wilson, with developer Steve Poe and attorney Craig Greenberg. http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060219/SCENE05/602190341

no one in Ohio cares? well besides me..

well we are ohioans lol...its not like a bunch of people on this forum are going to be jumping out saying they like the fact that Louisville will have the tallest scraper in the ohio valley...or second if you count pitt

oh....well i still don't see it.

he doesnt have anything to do with 911

replica of the aftermath of 9-11? now you really lost me.

What do you mean than god none?

i'm still waiting for someone to name a building that has all the featuers museum plaza :)

ok...you are all right...people wanting space, and a fron a backyard had nothing to do with the lack of rowhouses in Cleveland.

article and replies from well respect architecture site OMA Cooks Up Stack of Mies for Louisville Latest design by Rem Koolhaas and Joshua Prince-Ramus unveiled. Expanded ArchitectureChicago Plus posting from February 8, 2006 "I do not respect Mies," Rem Koolhas has written. "I love Mies . . . I do not revere Mies." Nowhere is this in greater display than in OMA's design, unveiled yesterday, for the $380,000,000 700 foot tall Museum Plaza in Louisville, whose upper reaches look like Koolhaas and OMA design partner Joshua Prince-Ramus took Mies' IBM and Seagram Buildings and stashed them atop a high shelf. The design is like a highrise version of the same team's Seattle Public Library, a set of three massive concrete cores around which a series of platforms are cantilevered, most strikingly in the case of the one-acre 22nd floor "island" structure that will house a contemporary art museum, which will actually be constructed at ground level and then lifted up into position. Unlike Mies, who created buildings that could house diverse functions in a uniform structure, OMA likes to break out the individual functions into different forms. At the Seattle Library, all of these forms were united by the curtain wall-facade, a continuous steel mesh of diamond-shaped windows. In Louisville, each function has its own building. At the base two separate structures, a 300 room hotel, and a tower with 150 lofts, are built around two of the cores, and have a strong visual affinity to Mies' 860-880 Lake Shore Drive Apartments. The huge "island" museum (passing resemblance to Mies' proposal for a massive exhibition hall on the site of the current McCormick Place) sits atop these buildings, with the third core rising as a sort of a concrete peg leg for balance. Set atop the museum like so many wooden blocks are two tall luxury condo towers, looking like the short ends of the IBM and Seagram, and a lower and broader office structure. looking a bit like it was carved out of the Dirksen Building, cantilevered over the edges of the museum. A free standing glass elevator structure rises diagonally, like the ladder on a firetruck, from ground level up 22 stories to the museum. One of the early models for the complex resembled a bundle of sticks held together by the museum island as if it were a rubber band, but the sharp diagonality of that concept now survives only in the glass elevator shaft - the rest is surprisingly angular and four-square. Whether the final product comes out looking cutting edge or merely cloyingly mannerist will largely depend on the quality of the curtain wall. In the illustration above, the curtain wall is darker, with a distinctly Miesian ambiance. In other renderings, the curtain wall shows up lighter and spikier, more like that of the Seattle Library. In one sense, the Louisville project seems almost quaint. In contrast to Chicago projects like Trump Tower, where half a million gets you a starter unit, Museum Plaza's luxury condos start at $400,000, and the prices of the lofts top out at $275,000. The Louisville Courier-Journal has extensive coverage of the project on its website. http://lynnbecker.com/repeat/louisville/louisville.htm replies: Post a Comment On: ArchitectureChicago PLUS "OMA cooks up whole stack of Mies for Louisville" 3 Comments -Show Original Post Collapse comments Jason266 said... That is an interesting design. Louisville is such a progressive and artsy city, I'm not surprised that a design like this is proposed down there. 8:39 AM Edward said... The part about lifting the art museum up into position reminds me of when they lifted the roof of the New National Gallery in Berlin (by Mies) into position. 7:55 PM Edward said... Forget about reading about it. See the incredible video at: http://www.museumplaza.net/video_qt.html 11:30 PM

so you can't name one i see.

ok, you live in an apartment...last time i checked that is not a HOUSE (ROW+HOUSE). well anyway, i'm not the only one How dense is too dense? That's the question being debated by the developers and residents of the Doe Mill Neighborhood in southeast Chico, where quaint houses sit side-by-side on small lots in a throwback to the grid-like, "walkable" streets of the pre-World War II era--a concept called new urbanism. John Whitmore moved to Doe Mill a year ago because he liked the idea. But now, he and some other residents say New Urban Builders is going too far, planning to build three-story row houses totaling 38 units in all and selling in the high $200,000's and low $300,000's. http://www.newsreview.com/chico/Content?oid=oid%3A43129

what other tower in the ohio valley has lofts, a public park, a hotel, condos, a museum, and retail ontop of a 1,200 space underground parking garage all in one building? name one.... thank you

well i guess Ohioans just have different taste then folks in Louisville. But regardless of what you think about the look, this building will still by far tower over everything else in the Ohio Valley, and probably reign as the most mix-use tower in the Ohio Valley.

WHY WOULD IT PUSH THE VACANCY RATE EXACTLY? there is a demand for more housing downtown...i guess you forgot that this is going to be a hotel, condo's and lofts, as well as comercial

you're telling me those row houses in baltimore were built 100 years ago?

i mean look at this pic of east baltimore i found on this site lol You step out of your front door, take one step to the left and you are standing on your neighbors porch (if you want to call it a porch).

Cleveland has a lost of people, but not packed into very concentrated areas like say...a West Baltimore, or west philly.

i posted the link to them a while ago.

these pics are from urbanplanet courtesy of and with permission from Abdul Sharif

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21618&st=140 here are some photos of the model/exhibit posted at urbanplanet

well a critique also points out the positives of the subject he or she is critiqing as well, and real critique doesn't just say he or shedoesn't like something because "his little brother could build it." thats just juvenile and stupid.

But the reason why Large cities like Baltimore and Philly and New York have rows and rows and rows and rows of row houses is because of the gazzilions of people those citis have to house. In Cleveland, there is no need for bulk housing like that, especially not now. IMO