ZoeBarnes

Shouldn’t there be a public record of this meeting?

^ That makes sense... it is easy to say what we all think ‘they should do’ but it takes a willing and capable operator to make these things happen. And the willing and able operator needs cash. And even if all those things exist it is still hard to make these things work. The rapid progress in OTR has slowed a bit so even if 3CDC wants to do a Biergarten, parking garage, hotel, office, mixed use, etc on that land, I don’t know if the time is right. In the near term, a parking lot, while not the most ideal land use, will help support the existing commercial tenants just south of liberty, bridge the gap between N and S of liberty and help get a lot of office tenants into the neighborhood. Fingers crossed when the time is right that land can be used to execute a high density project that suits the neighborhood right- and free up the 12th and vine lot for a project.

This is why mixed income buildings is the way to go.

Look closer at the existing building. Not great urbanism- very few units above unused garage space that requires adjacent driveway. Terribly inefficient.

The nicest trees in the park would have had to have been removed plus the street would still have died at sycamore. Woodward really does cut through the park as a pedestrian path, it is just not driveable. I fundamentally agree but realistically don’t think it would benefited the park.

That building is a poor use of space. The first floor is only garages. It’s a decent sized footprint (including access spaces for garages) that yields two, maybe three non-accessible units. When combined with the overall project those affordable units are replaced elsewhere. This will be a nice add for vibrancy in an awkward corner that has most recently functioned as a drug spot- even with an active park across the street. The site would be tricky for a high density project given that it Fronts two tight streets and is pinched. of course we can all be nit picky but I’m chalking this one up as a win for the neighborhood.

I really hope the Tri-State building stays. Once you strip away the additions and reopen windows it will be a great building with lots of potential. (also expensive to demo)

just to be clear, those parks were not done as a mechanism for parking revenue, however they were done because parking provides revenue. If you do a little research you will find that the revenue from those garages keeps those parks active and clean and the spaces still operate in the red. If the parks had the right amount of funding from the city to operate, it would have been immensely cheaper to not build the garages. Not ignoring the fact that parking capacity helps surrounding development but there are definitely cheaper ways to build parking if you are only in it for profit. i agree it’s isn’t the same scenario NoL but the market certainly can draw crowds.

This is not true. There are plenty of kids in OTR, they just spend their time in the safe parks that have received attention. The play field next to SCPA used to get used by kids more because there wasn’t an active park with a pool and new playground across the street. I realized Grant park received a facelift but the area around it is not yet to a point that evokes a sense of safety. By the time a Findlay Market area major park project could be completed, enough development will have occurred around it to make it a successful and utilized public space.

You wouldn’t be surprised if the organization that has quarterbacked two major park projects in OTR fought to eliminate a park in OTR? What gives you the impression they are in the business of eliminating park space?

If (like the other relocated social services), the organization is bolstered, the capacity and reach is widened, the facilities modernized, and the awareness elevated, I’d be all for it. It would be great for Crossroad to stay in the neighborhood while getting their facility up to date. Anyone can go their for service but currently it is not very approachable. All of the social services that have been relocated have been strengthened because of the moves. Crossroad is probably overdue for a refresh as well.

Except the property isn’t owned by one party so its not as simple as what can fit.

do you have any crime stats to know if it has worked? Definitely should have heard about plans by now even if crime is way down around there. Perhaps there was a waiting period to see what happened with the FC garage. That playground is one of only a few viable sites to support parking so perhaps CRC was told to wait.

I think the best chance of attracting a solid hotel developer and getting something built is to build new along Liberty (ideally at Vine) or along Central (ideally at Main). Those corridors would stand the best chance of going 6 or more stories and getting in a viable number of rooms that would make for an economic impact in OTR. It's overdue frankly. The Jackson Brewery building would have maybe 25 rooms with a single window that has a view. Not many people would pay for a room that faces north and not many people will want to walk up a hill to get back to the hotel after dinner. I like the 12th and Vine site because it is a viable idea given that 3CDC controls it.

you would be surprised to learn that that is not true at all. WP and Mercer are full quite on a regular basis. Keep in mind that because of the number of pass holders, ‘full’ doesn’t mean every single space is taken. Quite often WP relies on valeting within the garage to allow for stacking cars in the drive aisles. The numbers are quite convincing. Why do you think there was such a big stink about the SCPA parking spaces?