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^^^Right on Glutmax.

There is a feature article in this month's "Architect" (formerly "Architecture" I believe) magazine about Cleveland and some of the things going on recently; Avenue District, Flat's, E4th. Surprised "Architect" would pick up on this with the fact that none of the architecture is anything mind blowing (unfortunately). But they give us a pretty good write up and speak highly of the city, other than prefacing the article with the usual "Mistake on the Lake" slam. But I think we're used to that reading Steven Litt.

So many exclamation points for a ridiculous posting.

Ok, I'm sick of wasting time on this thread. It looks like most other threads have suffered in the bombardment of this one.

What was the urgency to get something built on this particular site to begin with? If there were any sort of wordly knowledge on the part of the city, the rolling mills and warehouses could have served as a World Heritage Site, similiar to what has been done in the Rein-Ruhr Region of Germany (the "Midwest" of that country). They have utilized abandoned steel mills as recreation opportunities for residents and visitors. Check it out what Cleveland and other Midwestern cities are missing out on: http://www.metropolismag.com/html/content_1000/lat.htm Wouldn't you rather have these types of amenities, and then have the retail fit into the central core somehow?

Nobody is arguing that the shopping options and jobs are a good thing (pulling into the parking lot and grabbing a rickity shopping cart can hardly be considered activity), it is just poorly done in some opinions.

What's wrong with being critical of a glorified strip mall? Yes it will add tax revenue to the city, yes it will add jobs, but it certainly could have been better at a different location, and with a better design. But asking a developer to consider anything other that the bottom line would be a Christmas miracle.

I know a shitty strip mall at W25th and Lorain that would look good in a landfill, and replaced by a 4 level Target...

I think what Dan is trying to get across is the fact that Cleveland will ultimately survive by being what it is; a dense walkable community that capitalizes on those facts. Trying to copy what is going on in the suburbs (Steelyards Commons, so suburban, naming itself after something that was torn down to create it) is not something the city should be doing. Isn't that fact why all of us live in the city to begin with. I think everyone would be happier if Wal-Mart, Target, and whatever else is going into SYC, if it were created in the central core, dependant on mostly people who utilize public transportation instead of having the need of a giant sea of parking lots. It comes back to the fact that we as a city should be demanding creative solutions from the city when it comes to things like this (urban big box stores are all over the country, so it isn't like it would even be that creative), instead of going by what is typically done and accepting a lesser product, which is what SYC is.

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^The article basically jokes of his death in 1979. Oh well, one less slimey bastard on this Earth.

Ok, south of 480. Forgot about Old Brooklyn.

I'm a bi-Sider myself. Grew up on the far eastside (Mentor, not a fan) then moved to Lakewood after college, and now reside in OC. And it's funny that you say that most younger people you run into are on the West Side, because 95% of the younger people that I work with live in Cle Heights or other East Side cities. So I guess what I'm trying to say is... well... I don't know what the hell is going on except that there is absolutly nothing to go south of Harvard for.

Strap is right. Without multiple firms designing Pesht it will be basically a complete repeat of Crocker Park. However, based off of his forum at CSU a couple months ago, he intends on having multiple design firms work on the project. Hopefully he picks the right people to do this and it becomes an interesting play of exisiting historical architecture vs. the contemporary.

It's almost like ya want to contact his current family and let them know what an evil man he was, although they are probabaly living in Arizona with the money he embezzeled from the county.

I agree Jamiec, but I think in this case the opinions of experts should at least be taken into consideration though. Example: If you had a cut on your arm (poorly upkept Breuer Tower), and your friends (County Commissioners) told you to cut your arm off get a prosthetic one (tear down Breuer Tower for a new one), but the doctor said to get stitches, wouldn't you take the advice of the doctor? Other than the architects that work for the firms that submitted proposals for demolition (one firm even bucked the direction that the County Commissioners gave, and submitted a scheme that kept the tower), not one worth his reputation thinks this building should be torn down. The decisions here are being made by politicians that have no design training. I just don't want lawyers to be making choices on architecture that will be in our city for many decades. The current situation would be a little more acceptable if the proposals for new construction were anything intriguing.

This thursday January 11th. I must have erased it on accident.

There was a storefront design competition, and they should be announcing winners soon. The entry called for a canopy/storefront/display membrane for local architecture firms. Using the existing precast shapes as a facade treatment was one of the entries for the competition. I was part of a group that had a submittal and it will be interesting to see what everone else has come up with.

Progressive Urban Real Estate & Howells and Howells, LLC request your presence at the unveiling of a model condominium suite in one of Cleveland's most historic buildings THE PARK BUILDING 140 Public Square at the intersection of Euclid and Ontario Public Reception from 5:00-8:00pm Wine and refreshments will be provided. For questions or to RSVP, please call 216.619.9696 x 47 or email: [email protected] PARKING SUGGESTIONS: *Ontario and Prospect *The BP Building *Tower City Center Enjoy a sophisticated, urban lifestyle in the center of Downtown Cleveland in the newly-renovated historic Park Building. One-, two- and three- bedroom plans available, including four luxury penthouse units overlooking Public Square. One- and two-bedroom units starting in the $100's. Three-bedroom units starting in the $300's

Well, you say it's ugly so I guess it should be torn down. Pfff. People also thought tearing down the Warehouse District in the 1970's was a good idea. If we listened to the opinions of the average American about design, we'd have cities full of gabled roof buildings with vinyl siding, front lawns, cul-de-sacs, and plastic doric columns framing every entrance.

great, now cleveland is a bunch of choosers when it comes to high rise construction. We shouldn't accept anything other that well designed buildings.

It makes sense that D.C. has a high rate of employment and median income with the amount of hot air that comes out of there, on top of the fact that the government wastes so much of our tax money. Thanks D.C.

Steven Litt, you're a downer, not Cleveland. He prefaces every article he writes with the doom and gloom synonomous with most suburbanites that are totally out of touch with what is going on in the city. If he would actually get involved with the local scenes in Cleveland's neighborhoods, he may have a different view. Or maybe, just take a look at what we talk about here on UO every damn day. Open your eyes little Steven (he's like 5'-0") and notice that there is an up swing happening right under your nose.

Sorry, it's E101st and Euclid, but E105 is just the next intersection. Close enough. Check out that billboard support at the right. That is kick ass. What's there now? Freaking grass. We trade an incredible urban landscape for a front lawn. Thanks Caesar Pelli.

It is a monstrous bulding, and the reflective glass isn't going to help that fact. If only they would learn to approach the street. Check this pic I found on Cleveland Memory Project. That's E105 and Euclid in the 1970's. As decrepid as that looks, I dream of that kind of scale on Euclid Avenue again.