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Maybe I am being a bit harsh considering it's only massing studies thus far, but I just think we can't be happy with it just being built. That's the old Cleveland attitude I think we are trying to get away from. I've worked for an architecture firm that does a lot of developer work and I see that once an idea from an arch. is shown, it's hard for developers to get that one idea out of their head. And come on, first Pescht, now Florence? What's next, a Venitian canal system? Firenze takes about as much advantage of their river as we do the Lake, although the Arno also makes the Cuyahoga smell acceptable at times. I can accept Stark using Pesht as a conceptual base for the city, but simply plopping a medevial Florentine grid system onto the east bank doesn't make much sense.

I think there were a few typos in that article. 1. 1468 W. 9th is an office building built by Burhnam and Root, not Walker & Weeks. I work in this building and highly doubt that they are redoing this into condos. It is currently office (not great office) space, but I'd say it is 75% occupied. Something will be, I mean, needs to fill the 1st floor space at W9th & Superior... 2. It's Gwathmey Seigel, not Swathmey Seigel doing the CSU Student Union (not a fan a their work, they are B+ architects at best) Otherwise it's an interesting article. I didn't think the plans for the condos on top of the Dick Fleishman garage at 515 Euclid Ave were that solidified.

The fact that Wolsteins development seems to "integrate" with the river at a diagnol angle shows that him or his architect have no idea what the Flats are. Engage the river, utilize many different materials, make the construction match the kinetic energy that the river currently has: bridges raising and swinging, boats rotating and blowing horns, trains (mass transit and freight), automobiles speeding overhead, factories churning on the banks. It just seems so damn obvious to relate to such an exciting character, but it appears they will play down to the lowest common denominator once again, "everything else is brick, we should use only brick). Wolstein is used to doing this kind of low quality design, he's been destroying the Cleveland for the past 40 years, and now he's missing out on an opportunity to help fix a part of it. I hate developers.

Thanks dude, only the finest zip up from Tower City will do.

For the most part it is these lowlife developers swooning cities that, for the most part, have peaked or will in the next 5 years (Westlake currently, Seven Hills development incoming) with quick tax revenue and supposed density, regardless of it's overall regional impact. These types of developments are the flavor of the week until these dirtbag developers find another way to expand upon the consumer society.

Here's my, "what the shit?" face. Used often when forced to go to suburban malls, see a homeless guy walking down Euclid with his pants down, when friends and family ask "you take the bus to work?" or a myriad of other ridiculous situations.

Over the last few days there has been quite a bit of activity. I know it says "POST OFFICE" on the stone above the central entrance, anyone know when it was actually a functioning post office. We could definetly use one in the OC today, I'm sick of paying 55 cents a piece for stamps at Dave's.

If Wolstein decides to take the Shaia's land and keep it as a surface parking lot instead of allowing him to build 300 living units, a space that could be the linchpin between the Warehouse District and the new Flats development, I'm just going to lose it. Negotions are still possible though it appears.

I'm pretty sure buildings are gutted and reused regularly. That shouldn't be used as an excuse to tear down that building.

I don't know if this has been discussed in this thread or not, but are there any plans for the Corlett Building on CSU's campus. I think it is pretty interesting how the rest of the campus was constructed around the structure, and it gives an idea of the urbanity that stretched from Public Square to E105th Street. Hopefully it's not just torn down to be replaced with another structure that is 60 feet off of Euclid, that would be a damn shame and totally ignorant. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

I agree. There is already ample plaza space for Gateway visitors to use in between The Q and Jacob's Field ( I love those towers above the air intake units). Let E4th buildings stretch all the way to Huron like it was before Gateway was built.

As Stark has stated before, he's looking at attracting percentages of the regions overall population. Say trying to get 1% of 3,000,000 is his goal. That's 30,000. One hell of a thriving neighborhood in the Warehouse District, and I don't think getting 1% of the population is that much of a reach. I just hope Wolstein's plan blends more into Stark's Warehouse District than it seems so far. The other plan to build two condo towers by a currnet land owner on Wolsteins will conceived surface parking lot at the corner of W9th and Lakeside, is a critical point of connection between the two mega projects.

Sounds good to me.

Developer pitches Warehouse plan to retailers Vegas conventioneers hear from other locals about projects here Wednesday, May 24, 2006 Christopher Montgomery Plain Dealer Reporter Article Removed

Cleveland's population may be dropping, but the average income of the city is rising (not sure what the exact data is) signifying that the people moving into city neighborhoods (Tremont, Ohio City, North Collinwood, Little Italy, etc.) are of higher economic status than those who are moving out of the city to inner ring suburbs. Just another way to look at it.

Besides the fact that Cleveland Browns Stadium was built in the wrong place, it's just one of the most awkward and unaesthetically pleasing stadiums in the NFL. I can't imagine what adding a retractable dome would look like.

Key Tower is just about the most muscular looking building when it is viewed from the north (from I-77 just north of Fleet Avenue) and the south (from the Shoreway or from a boat on the Lake). Just rises in one thin, dynamic gesture up to it's spire. Key's height is 888 feet to the top of the pyramid, and 948 feet to the top of the spire. Could possibly be getting access to the scaffolding currently surrounding the upper reaches of the Terminal Tower. Damn I hope it isn't windy that particular day.

Columbiana just outside of Youngstown has an interesting town square.

If Cleveland & Cincinnatti didn't sprawl itself out to a 35 mile radius in all directions, our population would have been stable for the last 40 years. It may not be population growth, but there wouldn't be that stigma that those cities were hemorraging citizens, and the cities would be self sustainable because of their density. NPR had a ridiculous report on the "rapid growth county of Medina." I'm willing to bet 99% of the residents of that damn county are ex-Cuyahoga County residents. How could NPR of a entities applaud this development.

It's interesting you say bringing in a percentage of the population that desires to live in an urban area. For the Cleveland Metro Area, roughly 3,000,000 people, let's say 5% of the people want urban living; that is 150,000 people. And one would assume once it gets rolling the percentage could roll up to 10%, 25%, 50%. This type of repopulation would then attract others not from the area to come live in a thriving urban landscape. I don't think it is that big of a stretch to say that if we promote ourselves correctly we can repopulate this city.

Mr Good Day, how can you say there is no Cleveland in the Dear Hunter? The parts in the grocery store (which still exists today) where Meryl Streep works, the phone booth Robert DeNiero uses in front of St. Theodisis church in the background at night under the street lights? It wasn't meant to be Cleveland in the movie, but the director wanted a steel neighborhood church to base the movie around, and Tremont had it and still does. Those are some of the most urbanly gritty scenes of any movie I've ever seen. Classic Cleveland. Another very obscure movie that I remember seeing when I was a kid on WVIZ in the 80's, was "The Kid from Cleveland." It's a movie from the 1940's about a local Cleveland kid playing the sandlots throughout the city. It has some great shots of sandlots around the port with all its rail spurs and industrial character. I haven't seen or heard of the movie for quite some time, so maybe give it a Google search.

East 65th between Union and 490 is not that bad. The 2 murders there this year are attributed to that gang of 14 and 15 year old pieces of s%$t that have since been apprehended. Including E55th and Fleet on your list is valid and it pains me to admit that. I grew up just north of Fleet on 55th and have great memories of it, but in the last ten years things have gotten progressively worse. I think a big part of it may be the fact that a lot of residents of CMHA housing at Riverview (Ohio City) and Valley View Estates (Tremont) have been displaced by their demolition and have moved into Slavic Village.

Hey, I didn't write the book. I'm just passing on information for the topic of the thread. In the scenario in the book they are only half way through their plan and will begin obtaining property in the next few years, and then rebuilding the city. It's just a concept of continually moving populations to make money.

Refering back to the post about planning to get African Americans to the suburbs, and whites back into the cities; check out the book, "Urban Ecology: Detroit and Beyond," by Kyong Park. In one section of the book, "Detroit: Making it Better for You," is the first person perspective of big corporations in Detroit (the city that once had the most of any city in the world) that have planned the destruction of its urban core since the 50's by building suburban sprawl to empty the city, create a consumer society in the suburbs, buy back the land in the cities for basically nothing, rebuild it, repopulate it, and make billions of dollars in the process. Yes a conspiracy theory, but the concept is genius and worked to perfection if it is true. Interesting to see how entire regions can be manipulated by large government/corporate entities when there is money to be made. If you are interested in the reasons behind urban sprawl, the destruction of American cities, and what is being done about it across the globe, this is a must read.

Some ended up at my old house as well at E260th and I-90. Still have one of them.