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We better not be getting a Valley View Bridge type of span. But I'm guessing we will.

It's funny that all these people are so worried about "greeness," (which is somewhat of a joke in my opinion for several reasons that I don't have time to get into), and the same ones that drive in from the cul-de-sacs.

It's just funny that the very people that have run this city into the ground for the last 5 decades are the ones asking to be heard. How does this guy have any more credibility than any a-hole off the street?

This is the typical mentality of people that have absolutely no idea about creating successful urban neighborhoods/developments. It's hilarious that the pd even gives someone like this the time of day, but I guess that reflects the caliber of the filter for this worthless paper. And since when do former editors of news papers have any credibility to design cities? I guess since I'm an architect I can run a newspaper... Couldn't do worse though I suppose...

Yeah, the drains of having a good bus system...

Not sure how any urbanist could be against billboards. They add layers to the urban fabric through color, lights, and imagery as opposed to the static bricks and mortar of the city.

I have never seen or heard of anyone talking about averaging around 5mph for 90 minutes. Are you sure you aren't walking to work?

Sad to think that all of these elements of pride for their respective city's have been neglected or out right demolished. But, we'll see what the 3-C, Ohio Hub, etc have in store.

Maybe people should move closer/take public transportation/car pool to where they work instead of bitching about sitting in traffic.

Come on MTS. If anybody should refrain from off topic comments...

The biggest problem with these sorts of developments is that they are constructed new with the best of intentions, and then, as time goes by the standard of tenant drops and you have an area that becomes a forcefield that repells any sort of investment in the area. As an Ohio City resident, diversity is important to the character of the neighborhood, but as far as I'm concerned, the strata of society that is currently over served is the lower. Having soup kitchens from the Shoreway to I-71 already produces a line of degenerates throughout the day. Not sure this income level needs any more housing options.

Yeah, I'm very impressed with RTA and how they've stepped up and realized the energy that mass transit can enduce into architecture and the surrounding context, and allowed the designers to do it. Couldn't be more excited about this project, and hope it is the first in a line of contemporary Rapid Stations.

I know. I don't understand why all these news outlets complain about Gateway. If they didn't build it they would be complaining about not having major league teams in Cleveland, E4th & the Huron/Prospect area wouldn't be developed, etc.

Personally, I like the electronic billboards. Somewhat of a reinterpretation of the neon signs of pre-1980's. However, I'd like to see them within the fabric of the city instead of on posts on the side of freeways. The south side of the Standard Building (facing Public Square) would be an interesting spot, or the top of the Forest City Bank at Detroit and W25th. The more the better.

I like the fact that Forest City will have nobody to blame when TC isn't chosen.

Why would there be a stop at an air museum?

Theater renovations for the 3 campuses perhaps?

Then why would we waste money to build them? To save some smuck from Des Moines $3 in cab fare? People at conventions don't give a damn about cab fare, it's all expensed. I can guarantee you that tax payers would be even less likely to spend their tax money on skyways, tunnels, and whatever other useless infrastructure being discussed. And how is Tower City viewed as this mega node in it's current state? Are we going to see struggling lines of people following eachother through Public Sqaure to the convention center, when it's 27 degrees and a 5 mph wind from the NW? As a destination why would anything be any differenet than it is right now as far as visitor movement/usage scenarios? There are arguable more hoetls in a 5 block radius than Tower City.

Designing a city that takes any attention away from street presence is one that will fail. I would think that this is obvious with the happenings, of, I don't know, the last 50 years. If indoor walkways or skyways were a spark for development Akron would be a thriving densly populated metropolis. Having 8 "Walkways to Gateway" will do not a damn thing. I can't believe we are even talking about this silly topic. If it's cold outside, put a hat, gloves, and scarf on. People all over the world do it every day. If you can't handle the walk to your convention, take a cab. I as a tax payer am not going to spend millions of dollars to put of roof over your head for 3 blocks. Underground, above ground, whatever. I agree that loggias may be an interesting idea for new individual buildings in this city, but the city really doesn't have any control over that.

Strap, I generally agree with you on UO, but I have to say I think you're way off here. Creating walkways like the one that connect The Q to Tower City are not what this city should be prescribing for inclament weather. Creating these portals is the equivalent to getting in your car at point A and driving to point B, caring little about what is in between. That is the "antiurban" character we are trying to delegitimize. The best conceived of these constructions may be the passage from the train station in Florence, Italy to an area past the confusion that is Santa Maria Novella Station. While somewhat interesting with it's low ceilings and off beat retail options, it really is dog sh!t. Now, if Cleveland had an EXISTING sense of ground level activity that this could add to, I may be all for it. But it doesn't, and these passageways would do absolutely zero.

Ohio isn't losing population. It gained 6,000 over the past few years.

The 5:42 train has been like that the past few days for some unknown reason. I've been waiting to see the 3-car trains if they are going to space out the train arrivals, but that has yet to materialize. What's the deal?

I'm pretty sure this chick lived somewhere out in North Olmsted or something of the like. I would have liked to have put her in her place, but she seemed to be on a date of some sort and I wasn't up for getting involved. If it were me sitting with her though I would have laughed, got up and left, leaving her with the tab.

Last night at Bier Markt in Ohio City I heard a middle aged single woman say: "I don't want to say that I'm too big for Ohio, but I like to shop at Wild Oats, and I recycle. Nobody does that here." There are a lot of directions one could go with it.

So FCE is going to sponser public meetings so the site gets moved to their property? That's hilarious. Seeing them squirm is pretty entertaining.