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Um, how about you relax. I've got no problem with the banter, but you thinking you know where to place me in the scheme of things is off base. Anyways, what I was trying to get across is the fact that regardless of the materials, a structure could at least be formally engaging and well detailed. Vinyl siding, cmu block, adobe, whatever.

Said the "apprentice" about the "masters." Musky, you don't know anything about me or what I do. I don't feel the need to throw my credentials out here to validate my opinions on UO, but if that's where you feel it needs to go, bring it on dude.

I've lived in Ohio City (W28th & Bridge) for 3 years and never had more than a homeless guy ask me for change on the street. I'm surprised Downtown's rate is so high as well.

Don't buy that load of crap. Modest materials can allow for exceptional results with a bit of effort. Volpe or any other architect have no excuses.

From today's PD. I talked about this a couple days ago, and it is ridiculous even though RTA calls it "white noise" and people will eventually not notice it. I highly doubt it. "The part of the Euclid Corri dor that is mostly finished near Cleveland State University features fresh new pavement, modern-looking center-median bus shelters and a soundtrack. It goes like this: Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. It sounds like a city going in reverse. "It's going 24/7," said Euclid Avenue resident John Coleman, who runs the Cousin's Cigar Shop on Euclid near East 18th Street. The sound is intentional. Every crosswalk, including those mid-block, contains a box that constantly emits a beeping noise so blind people can find a button that, when pressed, tells them when it's safe to cross the street. The beeping never stops. Cousin's customers are confounded. Last weekend, a woman stood staring at the beeping box at East 18th Street and simply said, "Weird." "Why does it have to be so loud?" said a woman who works at a business on Euclid. "It's very, very loud." At a residential building on Euclid, one person has complained that the beeping interrupts sleep at night. Frustrated folks have wedged a sponge between a box and utility pole, over the speaker, at one crosswalk and a rolled-up newspaper at another. RTA says the assisted crosswalks are compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act. On Euclid, progress sounds like a truck backing up to a loading dock. Steve Albro, who teaches blind people mobility practices at the Cleveland Sight Center and heads the Regional Transit Authority's ADA committee, said the beeping is necessary to help blind people cross. "It may be the newness. It's something that gets to be kind of white noise after a while. They've had them in Berea for years and you don't hear complaints on Berea Commons," he said. RTA's Chad Self said the agency would look into lowering the volume of the beeping boxes and make other adjustments "to see what works."

"homeless are living in the Quadrangle" hmm.

Why can't they just call it Midtown to make it easy on everyone?

"I did note there is nearly no parking in the little lot in the back, and street parking looks really limited. I am guessing this is going to be an issue. " I really doubt that the clientel they are shooting for would be turned off by having to park on the street if they don't in fact walk there. Don't see why this would be an issue. Should they tear down a neighboring house for more convenient parking.?..?

At this point, yes. Bolivar gets no love.

Building to the east of Winton (Carter) Manor on Prospect just east of East 9th. A sharp early 20th century brick building.

It may be the cavernous 25' tall vacant first floor that everyone complains about.

The Project was designed to meet all ADA requirements, and we are proud of that. We worked closely with members of the disabled community to be sure that it meets their needs. There may be some tweaking as time goes on, but right now, "it is what it is." Totally understand the drive to make it ADA accessible, just reporting that the sound is borderline unbearable.

I just walked from from East 24th to East 9th down Euclid and it really is coming along quite well. However, the beeping sound for blind citizens is a bit deafening. And since intersections are relatively closely spaces, you go from one to the other and hear the noise the entire length of the CSU campus. Not sure if they are just testing these things today, but that would drive me up the wall if I were living on Euclid. Hopefully it's a temporary nuisance. Any comments jmasek?

Thanks for your comments. Operators have been trained to line up the front door with some colored bricks outside the covered station, for those entering the bus. The back door of the bus is then lined up with the opening to the station, and those leaving the bus can go through the station and down to the crosswalk. It will be the same with the new vehicles, which are 23 feet longer. They will also have a back door on the side of the station closest to the crosswalks. Monday and Tuesday, I worked a station for three rush hours, and saw my share of jaywalkers. I also saw an entire group of CSU students use the crosswalk when the bus had a green light. This held up traffic. The question is: do they care? If people do not care about their safety and the safety of others, they will walk when they want to, where they want to. Which is why RTA is forced into the unpopular ticket-writing scenario. Think about it. If you were told that the State Patrol was on strike, and you had to drive from Cleveland to Columbus in good weather, how fast would you go? 80mph? 90 mph? The only reason some people obey the speed limit is fear of tickets. So will it be for the Corridor. That's just reality. And even then, every time you are caught speeding, it probably represents 20-30 times when you were speeding and not caught. Stop signs, traffic signals and speed limits are all traffic-control devices to increase safety. So are crosswalk signs. Maybe beating a dead horse, but railings would have worked just fine.

CLEVELAND: YOU'VE GOT TO BE TOUGH!

I rode the 6 down Euclid yesterday afternoon to Mayfield and was very impressed with how much quicker the ride is even with just a portion of the route in operation. And other than the light poles being top heavy and leaning just the slightest bit (I'm assuming this happened because the poles were originally going to be made of steel, but were revised to be fiber glass and the pole isn't strong enough to support the heavy top) I was pretty impressed with how everything was put together. Operationally, I think some of the drivers were confused about where they should line up the front door at the stations. Eastbound, the driver stopped with the front door outside of the station, while the rear door lined up with the station, forcing the waiting riders to walk out of the protective shelter and onto the bus. Westbound the driver got it right, stopping the front door at the station and allowing exiting passengers to get out at the rear and walk down the ramp to crosswalks. However, many people getting off the bus simply ignored the crosswalks and jumped off the platform in the middle of the street to cross Euclid. A problem Mayday or Mapboy pointed out a couple weeks ago. Railings may look like a good idea from what I saw. But, with this being very early in the running of the system, I thought it went very well, and will probably allow RTA to work out the kinks before coming fully operational. And really, other than there being no rails, it will definetly feel like riding a tram in Rome or Amsterdam. I for one am looking forward to the final product and what sort of development this will spur along the route. Sky is the limit in my opinio.

Moriarty's is the sh!t for sure. The owner Morgan is a trip, and I think it's one of the best places to grab a Christmas Ale on a chilly night.

^Not sure what the line in Vegas is chief. Why don't you check it out for us.

Give it a few more weeks, my prediction was perhaps a bit on the low side of the time frame of producing the renderings. They are definitely in production though.

Nope, talking to Feagler. Fortunately with his name being what it is, it probably saves bandwidth.

^And what, EUCLID AVENUE isn't a prominent enough address for retail so they have to carve another street through to Prospect? These developers are something else.

One of the first quotes I've seen you have over one line. Surprising...

I mean really, this is just what crusty old people do, they complain about sh!it all the time. My late grandfather who passed away in the mid 90's was pissed that there was a tax to pay for new baseball and basketball facilities downtown. What did he think would be a better investment? A new horsetrack. God bless him, but he was obviously way off. I'm assuming Dick just wants a freeway built from the parking lot at the PD to his crappy home in Bay Village, and to hell with the thousands of college students, residents, and commuters that use it daily. What's so wrong with a government funded upgrade of service on the city's busiest mass transit route? Really, what is there to complain about?

Nobody is going to ride the EC? If you've ever taken the #6 bus you would know that it's the most crowded bus in the city. Totally overcrowded. There will be plenty of riders for the project. Get a clue Dick.

Egh, what's wrong with the terra cotta ?