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Why is it a waste of time? This topic could be a turning point in how our urban landscape and tax dollars are taken care of in the future. So the building sits empty for a few more years, how long do you think buildings in the Warehouse District and Ohio City were empty before they were reconceptualized for contemporary uses? Many years I presume. And now what kind of city would we have if they decided to just tear them down for parking lots or low income housing? An even more disjointed one.

Any news on this yet?

^True, but does anyone think that it will be something drastically different than what has been shown thus far? What has been produced to this point is the will of Wolstein, and having worked with them in the past, they usually aren't willing to reinvent the wheel if they've already paid to have it produced. Yes please god, bring back the Dutch, or at least a compitent architect how won't let these renderings effect what will be produced.

The buildings on the south side of Lorain will be physcially moved to make way for the St. Ignatius Performing Arts Center, which will be at the SW corner of W30th and Lorain.

There are a bunch of places in Ohio City to grab a pint or 10. Quick rundown. ABC The Tavern, just south of Bridge on W25th is my favorite shot and a beer joint in the city (up there with the Hi-Low Club on Superior). Touch on Lorain just east of W28th, rock night on thursday is a good time as well as friday and saturday nights. Light Bistro at the corner of W28th and Bridge, new spot, good place for small plates. Flying Fig, very underrated happy hour, across from Great Lakes Brewery Garage Bar at W25th and Bridge, very ecclectic crowd from bikers to hipsters to a little more well rounded suburbanite. Bier Markt at W25th and Market Ave, great beers, good crowds, best chance to mingle with attractive females. Also, if you are looking for an apartment, check out the West Virginia Building at the NW corner of Bridge and W28th. I've lived there for 2+ years and it's the best location in town in my opinion. Mass transit from there is effortless and it's plopped right in the tree lined center of Ohio City.

^What's with the red text?

Who would want Kassouff as a business partner in the development of a major piece of Downtown Cleveland? That guy is a snake in the grass for sure, responsible for the FBI Headquarters and Channel 3 Building on Lakeside overlooking the Lake. Highest and best use of the land, I think not.

^^Strongville, Solon, and whatever other hell hole you want to throw out there are nearly built out. They have peaked and will start the "decline" that first Clevland expereinced, then Parma and the like. And when that happens, the growth stops, leaders shit the bed, their housing stock isn't getting any younger, and get pissed that new malls are being built 4 exits away. This is only 10 years away for these cities. So Strongsville will have what, 20 or 25 years of prosperity and then decline. That seems to be the average life span for a suburb. It's only a shame that it is generally the same people moving from suburb to suburb to ignore the ills that they are creating. God bless America.

If Cleveland can retain residents that leave the region as well as steal some from outside it, it could obviously go a long way in repopulating the city and raise the demand for the sort of developments that go along with this type of mass transit infrastructure.

Good to hear there is some cooperation going on here, but... Looks like there will be plenty of surface parking spaces available in that masterplan. Don't forget about the "revolutionary" cul-de-sac.

"building ready for expansion." Well put Mayday.

certainly does not mean every building should be marveled. However, this is an interesting building regardless of everyone's subjective opinions on it's aesthetics. This building now represents something in this city: old guard politics that have no problem being wasteful in both fiscal and sustainability terms to serve massive egos, up against progressive urbanists, those who are simply concerned with running a government entity in the correct manner, and common sense. This process has been flawed with back office deals and zero public transparencey from the beginning.

Exactly. Look what happened to the Warehouse District and E4th; buildings allowed to exist until the right people with the means and motivation come around and utilize what is already existing. It's only too bad that we've allowed so much to be destroyed for freaking parking lots. We can't continue to wipe away our vacant buildings, there is life for them in the future.

And the County Commissioners aren't?

^Excuse me, "significant" as far as it's prominece in the public realm. It's always been significant architecturally.

^^Well, so much for the arguement that it isn't a "significant building" as some have put it. It's now a national news story, demolision would certainly be an even bigger embarressment.

Yeah, new people to the forum board should definetly read the previous pages of this thread. There is a lot of background information in veteran UO opinions that are being voiced here. And saying it should be torn down simply because it's ugly in your opinion, isn't going to carry much weight around here.

Or how about the Aldi's and the church next to it. What prefabricated building catalogue did they select that from? An embarressment to say the least. Unbelieveable how people have been allowed to piss all over that street with garbage buildings.

"sight"

Well you aren't going to get a significant piece of architecture that offsets the loss of the Breuer tower whether you want to live in that dream or not. I too work across the street from the Breuer tower and find it to be the most interesting building in site. Also, there was no personal attack in the response, I simply announced my hatred for people that are trying to destroy part of my city.

I also think the two of them are seeing the future of local politics in Peter Lawson Jones, and aren't happy with him going against the company line. Jones deserves a lot of respect for his stand on this issue. Though it's really a no brainer, he is getting his name out there for a just cause and really can't lose either way, at least politically.

There has not been one sane decision in this entire process: *Site Selection *Deciding on demolition *Architect Selection It seems that the two commissioners are seeing their political life flash before their eyes, but are so deep into their illadvised decision that they will not back out at the expense of the county population.

Since when does vacany = uninteresting building? I hate Hagan with a passion.

High density zoning along the ECP wouldn't, check that, shouldn't, be that difficult to force. There is that build up to the sidewalk thing, but that shouldn't really need to be said.

There has to be room for development before you can have developers coming in. The boulevard is a step in getting that accomplished. Of course there is no guarantee for something that is almost 10 years away, so why do you expect that?