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Now that's nice!

Yea, that is Crosley Field in the top of that old photo. I believe that they are clearing the way for 75 near the ballpark in that shot.

I haven't been able to find a similar modern pic. This satellite view gives a good indication as to whats left (or lack their of) though. UT was one of the few buildings that escaped the Great Curve of the new highway. Even Shermans playground, the Hudy building survived this!!!!! One wonders if they kicked the highway just to take out as much as possible! Johio is right about the extreme poverty at the time. My Grandfather was living on Western Ave about when this pic was taken. The stories from that day were not heartwarming ones. I just wish we could've left more of the neighborhood in tact. What wasn't destroyed for the highway was eventually leveled when they went crazy building Projects throughout the WE and OTR. A good reference with this shot is the DISCONNECTED street grid from downtown to where it turns into railyards in modern day Queensgate. Why they did away with the grid, I will never understand. The density of Queensgate even as industy is quite pathetic in comparison. http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=39.107253~-84.530568&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

^Bring alot of water! :wink:

I'd Third that! Beloved I-75!

^Yea that sucks! The West End!! Cincy, how could you???

^Agree! Can we expect any campaigning like yard signs, bumper stickers, commercials, etc.??

go go gadget hyperspeed!

Music Hall renovation plan in works By Janelle Gelfand • [email protected] • September 11, 2009 http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090911/ENT03/909120337/Music+Hall+renovation+plan+in+works

County board to review Mercy proposal By Kurt Backscheider • [email protected] • September 3, 2009 http://communitypress.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/C2/20090903/NEWS/909030403/

Perhaps, it's time to move this back to Projects & Construction. :clap: Edge building markets design appeal By Laura Baverman • [email protected] • September 8, 2009 http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20090908/BIZ01/909090334/

Hahaha, Downtown Butler! God CVG, please do something with that IRS building! Great shots Sherman!

It looked pretty sweet from the cut in the hill about an hour ago. That precious crane is standing out from a distance nowadays!!

that is sweet!!

I'm told it's chaotic on site. (Many phases and different contractors) You'll have that with "these" kinds of projects. Plus one area had to be ripped out and re-poured, right?

^Agree, Push Solar Now!!!

Very Nice Set!!!

^^Now, that last pic is sexy!! Thanks Brad!

Originally, people have left core, central areas because a decline in the quality of living of such places. Overcrowding and unsanitary conditions from the industrial revolution was the reason Cincinnatians literally started heading for the hills in the 1800's. This original sprawl was made possible by the streetcar and interurban systems. Those of the lower classes, mostly immigrants, often filled these voids because the conditions of the neighborhood made them cheap and affordable. It was this phenomenon that created the first ethnic (and sometimes religious) ghettos. Depending on the decade and immigration trends, the ethnicities varied....Irish, Italian, Jewish, Polish, Greek, etc. The same thing happened in the 20th Century. As the aforementioned ethnicities became further assimilated into the established society, new ethnicities began to take their places in these ghettos. The reasons were often the same...old, overcrowded, and dirty neighbors made for cheap living. However, not only did you have immigrants from different parts of the world coming to cities but migrants as well. African-Americans fled the south for the factory jobs in the north, as did those from rural Appalachia. There is no question that white-flight, based upon racism occurred, especially after WWII. Prior to that racism obviously did exist but the Great Depression economically prevented any large scale racially-based sprawl. The federal legislation passed during the Depression along with the post-war economic boom and highway construction coupled with racism allowed for an entirely new kind of sprawl. Thus was the birth of the modern-day suburb. So historically speaking, when talking about city development and growth you cannot take race and class out of the equation. But to say that removal of minorities from a city is good thing is completely preposterous. Very, very well said. I concur!

I'd guarantee it will be the cleanest Kroger in town for the next few weeks/months!!! :wink2:

Awesome pics! ^^^That smokestack in the distance just to the left of the interstate is still there for now! It has been abandoned for years and is normally easier to see when the leaves are off the trees. There is one smaller building attached to it. I doubt that it will survive the onslaught of all that construction presently and planned. They are currently replacing the bridge that spans a creek near that area. Birds eye: Anyone know the history of this place? http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=qj2zcb7yvnk0&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&scene=34936654&encType=1

Those numbers only drive home the fact that Cincy is at a disadvantage in competing with those cities. I am personally afraid of what happens here in a decade if we don't take these numbers to heart. (And that is coming from somebody who resides in the burbs.) It starts with educating the masses and changing the mindset.

Some of you guys can argue the differences and similarities of county, city, and zip code numbers all day long, but at the end of the day Cincy is stuck with a big ol :roll: bowl of "Do Nothing"! Essentially that's what we've had for decades and will continue to have unless we change direction. The numbers in Portland are there. Economic development has followed the lines. So, in 10 years will Portland be better off than they are today? In 10 years will Cincy be in a better position than we are today? Is it out of the question for us to still be wrangling about whether streetcars are for Cincy by then? Streetcars AND Light Rail will HAVE to be the leading economic drivers for Southwest Ohio in a post recession/depression world! The days of opening Ikea's and outlet malls while expanding Interstates to 10 lanes with noise barrier walls and calling that economic development are OVER.

^Agree, although I'm not sure if ALL of them will do it with open arms.

Alright, I"ll be the one to suggest a couple west side pros for you. Don't let that political map scare you too bad! We are in transition over here! I will throw three options that have good schools and a walkable neighborhood plus is within 6-7 miles from downtown. (As a crow flys) Cheviot - is in the Cincinnati Public School system and has THE most affordable prices on houses within the region. Bridgetown - is in Green Twp. nextdoor to Cheviot but is within the Oak Hills School District. They also have very affordable housing with the added benefit of a MUCH better public school system. Delhi - is in Delhi Twp. and is also in the Oak Hills District, but walkability is not as good. http://www.oakhills.k12.oh.us/ These areas offer a more small town feel in the big city which I feel is due to the sparsity of Interstate access.