Jeff

Leinenkugels...there used to be alot of local brewreys in Wisconsin, Leinenkugels was one which survived the "corporate beer" era. I think Augsburger was another.... Milwaulkee also has its own "street food"...frozen custard. There are frozen custard places around the city. Monte is right about this city exceeding expectations. And man these are some great pix, too!...Thanks... (I really liked that one of the bar). BTW....this pix ....Usingers Sausages...are fairly authentic German sausages and where pretty popular in Chicago delicatessens. They are available in Dayton at Charlies market in Old North Dayton...I like their "Hessiche Leberwurst".... For urban planning buffs Milwaulkee has one of the three 1930s Greenbelt communities....Greendale. The city also had a failed subway, which was going to connect an interurban line to the heart of downtown...they built a private ROW right into the city, which was used by the trains into the late 1940s (this was one of the few systems to survive the depression), but they never built the subway part. The area south of the Menominee Valley used to be a large Polish neighborhood, but is now mostly Mexican, with what looks like a small gay district forming closer towards downtown...so there is sort of an interesting ethnic mix going on down there. I was there for the German Fest, which is one of a series of ethnic festivals that are held on the lakefront, near that art museum. If the rest of these are as good as the German fest they are destination events worth traveling to see...the German Fest was pretty outstanding for an ethnic event in a smaller city..... " Heralded as the "City of Festivals," Milwaukee celebrates its melting pot heritage throughout the year with a delightful procession of ethnic and cultural festivals. Asian Moon Festival, Rainbow Summer, Polish Fest, RiverSplash!, Scottish Fest, Lakefront Festival of Arts, Bastille Days, CajunFest, Festa Italiana, German Fest, African World Festival, PrideFest, Irish Fest, Mexican Fiesta, Labor Fest, Oktoberfest, Indian Summer Festival, Arabian Fest and the Holiday Folk Fair are all colorful tributes to a cherished past..." ...the impression I get of the place is that the quality of life is pretty high. The people are freindly and helpful, too...

^ I used to but I'm changing my mind.

Hmph..pretty bold to go into garages to break into cars. Does not leave me w. warm fuzzys about dtwn Cincy.

Au$tin Road.

In close proximity to the upcoming Austin Road interchange, (little over a mile away) Marketplace @ Settlers to Expand ...double in size: "Phase II will feature 11 tenants ranging from 1,600 square feet to 13,000 square feet, according to initial site plans. Space will lease for $20 per square foot. That would place the center among the higher-rent shopping centers in the Dayton area. Settlers Walk, a 700-acre master-planned community in Springboro, began in 1997 and has blossomed alongside the city. The residential sector, which includes more than 2,000 houses, fans the retail complex."

I find this to be an interesting subject, and, doing some googling it appears there was an urban neighborhood dialect in San Francisco at one time...Mission Irish. And it appearst there might be some in New Orleans....

I think jmecklenborg made an interesting point about an ethnoreligous angle to local dialects. I never thought of that, but it sounds plausible....

...you should hear my barber and his "liars bench" cronies over in Fairborn! ..and yeah, that map..the linguistic stuff is greek to me (is that a pun?), but the divisions on that map make sense as I can 'hear' them... Whether it is possible to do a map of dialect or accent by neighborhood?.....I dont think the US is quite that specialized to have neighborhood dialects like Cockney or such.....we are lucky to have a few unique city dialects.

Sure was..LOL..you got it... In reality I am more likely to say "youse guys" rather than "y'all"...

The MVRP site also has some info on an access control plan of 741 from around Lexis-Nexis to Austin Road and beyond. Sounds like they doing some planning ahead here....

Theres one in the middle of the Settlers Walk subdivision in Springboro....its actually fairly large, with this gazebo in the middle.

I think its even more noticeable in Dayton than Cincinnati. There has been a definate southern influence here. Per request here is a map: And these comments about northern Kentuckians sounding more "southern" are laughable. That certainly has not been my experience with northern Kentuckians while at college...and I roomed with one (from Boone County) for a year, had classmates from Covington and Taylor Mill, and was in student government with this guy from Newport. The guys from Newport and Covington and the girl from Taylor Mill had no southern accent, and the guy from Boone County had a slight Southern accent, but no wheres near as strong as one finds in Lexington & vicinity, or even in the Louisville area. If y'all are hearing strong southern accents in Northern Kentucky the people are either migrants in from deeper in Kentucky or elsewhere in the South, or from family that came from out in the state.

What really pisses me off bout this as an ex-Chicagoan is that Walgreens got its start as a chain of corner drugstores in Chicago....at busy streetcorners....so their heritage is actually VERY urban.... Also, if y'all remember, I ran a pix thread about how these suburban drug stores are screwing up urban streetscapes in Dayton

...hmm, this is not cheap. That food court seemed to be one of the aspects of the Arcade that seemed to be somewhat sucessfull, tho I think thats relocated to that parking garage building next door... but still..i guess since he figures he has the property he might try to actually rent it out? Interesting that for all the years Danis held the property he did not try to lease it out... yet, does this Staub & "Brownfield Charities" give anyone the warm fuzzies? ....a websearch yields this site: Factory Network/Brownfield Charities, Inc ...and it looks like they have another property in Dayton? ..we know this property...its right on the Great Miami, where the railroad crosses on that steel truss bridge... link "Industrial Plant: 4.5 acres 250,000 sq ft building. Site has excellent prospects, located on great miami river in Dayton Ohio. Newer community college building next door. Next to I-75 & route 35 in Dayton Ohio. Located next to railroad line. Includes power plant with 2 boilers converted from coal to gas and oil, & 1 old coal fired boiler. Fully sprikled. "

I had no idea Officemax was HQed in Cleveland!

The buisness section also mentions Springboro has engaged Miller Valentine as a consultant to help develope their part of this area. This is going to be the new hot area south of town. Now that the I-675/OH-725 corridor is built out more or less, this will be the next extension... That arrangement Dayton is doing w. Miami Township sounds similar to the one Springfield worked out re their airport and the surrounding township, though there wasnt much developement that resulted... In any case, its good to see that south-of-town isn't dead yet. Also, a new Super-Walmart will be opening up in Miami Township, on Kingsridge, behind that dead K-Mart, next to Fudruckers...

Actually a Familiy Dollar would be a good idea, but if McCrorys couldn't make it I doubt a Family Dollar would... ...a Friday fish fry might work too? I was up on the adjacent parking garage a few weeks ago and noticed a rooftop door to those tall roofs facing Main was left open....no one on the roof....if they leave things open like that rain will start to get inside and water damage will ensue. I love how Danis comes out ahead on this...a "donation" to a charity...can anyone say "tax deduction?" If I recall it was sort of fishy the way Danis got control of it in the first place...

This is good intel as I didn't know about that car theft problem in downtown Cincy....when downtown I usually park in the Fountain Square garage, so I guess thats still pretty safe, huh?

The problem is that localities don't want to pay for schools and want the state to bail them out. Tough shit. We need to get some conservative judges into the Ohio Supreme Court to reverse that "unconsitutional" decision, and get the state out of funding K-12. Thats one of big slices in the state budget.... On edit I do like what the mayors are doing and that they are getting involved, as failing local schools directly impact the competetivness of urban areas as well as property values in core cities. An example of a mayor getting direclty involved was in Sacramento, where the city school district was failing. The mayor, Joe Serna, actually organized a reform movement and ran his own slate of candidates for the school board, replacing the old board. Serna then set in motion school reform via his proxy school board. That move raised eyebrows, but Serna said that, as mayor, he had a vested interest in local schools performing well, even tho the school district was a seperate jurisdiction from city govt.

Ohios largest single-site employer (supposedly) in graphs and numbers.... First, to set the stage, some macro-level graphs from the CSBP, showing the Defense budget since before WWI as a % of GDP, and Defense budget authority since 1947....to compare with the WPAFB employment numbers. One can see the WWI spike and the US being relatively cheap on defense until WWII, then a demobilization, and a spike back up for Korea + Cold War..with spending staying high throughout the Cold War....although it seems cyclical with a range.... WPAFB civilian and military employment. ..it does slightly track with the macro-level graphs..but note the high civilian employment, even early on. This was due to WPAFB being a big depot maintenance activity in the pre-WWII and WII era, then the Cold-War era R&D probably kept civilian employment high after the depot was shut down. Then there was that big drop in the Clinton years...

The good thing about this DYI "parish hall" nonprofit bingo (if it still works like it used to) is that 100% of the money stays in the community.

Interesting to see some discussion of rural policy here for a change., and actually a bit of rural history too, if one thinks about it. Midwestern farming and farm landscapes actually change from area to area in the Midwest...NW Ohio is particularly flat and boring and treeless, but I think alot of that has to do with it being swampland and the last part of the state settled. Around here one sees more that "forest island" thing...woodlot islands in a sea of "farm"...those woodlots are usually managed for timber production. I do notice that in Indiana, too, until one gets north of, say, Lafayette, where the woodlots disappear and one can actually see the horizon... South of Dayton, and also in Southern Indiana, there seems to be more and more woodlots... @@@@@ I'm not sure farms where bigger in the olden days. I do think they required alot more "hired hands" to work, as well as large families...this was one of the drivers for the developement of a argricultural implements industry in the Midwest, particularly here in Dayton and Springfield...later in Chicago, Moline, Milwaulkee and Peoria....the demand was there for labor saving devices as labor was in short supply and there was alot of land to farm...

Columbia Township sounds like one of those petty states from the Holy Roman Empire.....all sliced and diced.... maybe someone can come up with a "metro Cincinnati" jigsaw puzzle...?

Re Grasscats Enquirer article (post # 29)...I am suprised that Dayton didnt get any of these grants as technology transfer from WPAFB is supposed to be part of the local ecocnomic developement strategy...

Denhart doesnt appear in the book, but, unlike Tarbell, Buddy Gray didnt make any distinctions between the "deserving" and "undeserving" poor... Presumably homelessness is still a problem in Over The Rhine. Maybe that would be a good use for the abandoned buildings there...rehabbed into homeless shelters or SRO units... ....or "flying 40s", or being yelled at like I was on Dayton Street, or feeling like running a guantlet when driving down Vine... Yet, the context here is a poverty neighborhood under threat...this is a "turf" issue and maybe whats going on in all these incidents are the locals protecting their turf, albeit in a crude & rude way.